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eggi:
"Thy Kingdom come." If we pray for peace, are we not praying for His Kingdom of Peace to grow amongst us? When we pray for peace and wisdom to the leaders, we are not praying for the world, but for the world to be changed.
God bless you,
Eirik
microlink:
Well said Kat.
lilitalienboi16:
I must add, that I am actually slightly confounded on this matter.
Can someone quote me ray's writting on where He explains Jesus did not pray for the world? I remember slightly the verse in my head along the lines of "I pray not for the world but I pray for them for they are yours Father..." or something along those lines. However, I'm interested in seeing further explaining on this matter. I have read the praying article, did I have my blinders on?
Also, The verse in timothy is rather strange. Is the emphasis of it all on the fact that we are to pray for the world not that the evil that must be, passes away, but that so the evil it gives rise to does not taint our own?
I've read everything everyone had to say here. This is a fascinating discussion.
I certainly do pray for my brothers and sisters in Christ, both known to me and unknown. I can't remember the last time I prayed for peace in the middle east, our politicians, this country etc... because I always reduced it down to "Its in God's hands and He will do as He plans," and "which one of you by worrying can add another minute to your lives?" So I try and have peace in all these things that occur. I pray for myself and my family as well, my loved ones though some may not chosen, converted, have the mind of Christ etc... I also try and give thanks as often as I can for everything the Lord has blessed me with. So again... should I be praying for my local elected officials? Should I be praying for the governor of california? I never thought I needed to....
Interesting topic, I wish I had a bit more clarity on this because up until today I thought I was praying the way I should. Always "IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT MUST BE."
Alex
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on September 11, 2013, 01:21:59 PM ---I must add, that I am actually slightly confounded on this matter.
Can someone quote me ray's writting on where He explains Jesus did not pray for the world? I remember slightly the verse in my head along the lines of "I pray not for the world but I pray for them for they are yours Father..." or something along those lines. However, I'm interested in seeing further explaining on this matter. I have read the praying article, did I have my blinders on?
Also, The verse in timothy is rather strange. Is the emphasis of it all on the fact that we are to pray for the world not that the evil that must be, passes away, but that so the evil it gives rise to does not taint our own?
I've read everything everyone had to say here. This is a fascinating discussion.
I certainly do pray for my brothers and sisters in Christ, both known to me and unknown. I can't remember the last time I prayed for peace in the middle east, our politicians, this country etc... because I always reduced it down to "Its in God's hands and He will do as He plans," and "which one of you by worrying can add another minute to your lives?" So I try and have peace in all these things that occur. I pray for myself and my family as well, my loved ones though some may not chosen, converted, have the mind of Christ etc... I also try and give thanks as often as I can for everything the Lord has blessed me with. So again... should I be praying for my local elected officials? Should I be praying for the governor of california? I never thought I needed to....
Interesting topic, I wish I had a bit more clarity on this because up until today I thought I was praying the way I should. Always "IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT MUST BE."
Alex
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Here you go.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1711.0.html
Nathan:
Alex,
Here is an email exchange with Ray - I believe it will shed some light on the topic of "not praying for the world".
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1348.msg11593.html#msg11593
Dearest Ray,
You are a "ray" of light! Please would you tell me what Jesus could have meant in John 17:9 where He excluded the world in His prayer. Who did he mean to be excluded?
Thank you & bless you
Deborah
Dear Deborah:
Good question.
The "world" represents two entities in Scripture: [1] The Church, Judaism, the Whore, Mystery Babylon the Great, and [2] The social system of the nations in general.
Jesus referred to both in John's Gospel account:
"...but be of good cheer; I have overcome the WORLD" (John 16:33). What "world?" Did He overcome China? Japan? Indonesia? No, Jesus overcame the world of Judaism--"He came unto His own [the Jews] but they received Him NOT," and hence He had to overcome them all the days of his earthly ministry.
But in John 17:24 we read, "...for You loved Me before the foundation of the WORLD" is speaking of the whole "kosmos"--the whole system of world governments.
Jesus prayed for NEITHER of these two "worlds," as their destiny is solidly fixed by God's divine providence, and therefore prayer would be of no value. Jesus does not pray that His Father's Prophecies should NOT come to pass, and neither do God's Elect pray such nonsense as is parroted daily over the air waves "pray for world peace." Nonsense. There will be no world peace--God has already decreed it.
God be with you,
Ray
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