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dodrill:
As Ray taught - the bible is one giant parable - and he showed from Genesis that the earth brought forth the mountains - we can know today scientifically that this process still happens with volcanoes and such like. How do you reconcile some events in the bible that were catastrophic in nature (but very naturally explained by science today) like Sodom and Gomorrah where fire and sulfur, or brimstone, rained down - we would call that a meteorite shower today
The plagues in Egypt - we can understand these phenomena with weather patterns and the such like. So has man always been superstitious of Our Eternal Maker and Placer and written from this perspective - or has God's nature changed? Ray spoke of God resting - and we enter into His rest too
Has man assigned God this vengeful nature that would supernaturally (unnaturally) cause catastrophic events on inhabitants of the earth - or have we forgotten how to read the signs in the heavens - watching stars and learning how our earth works?

It was Mark Twain who quipped, IN the beginning God made man in His image. And man has been returning the favor ever since.”

Dennis Vogel:
Rev 16:18  And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

Not just back then - More to come

dodrill:
Yes the groaning creation is in longing for His return - so these awful catastrophic natural occurrences like earthquakes and such are 'earths birth pains' - not only destruction for wicked men (which is all of us before He changes us) the earth is very much a living moving expanding body - do I oversimplify this to make it sound better?

Romans 8: 22 22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. :)
As I understand after having my old mindset challenged with Ray showing by scripture that God is not going to torture anyone for all eternity after death
Surely these impending disasters (the ones that have been before and are still too come) are not for judgment of mankind but have a purpose of reconciliation? Just sometimes mankind gets in the way of them and suffers loss of his life and these natural events would have happened anyway even if there was no man to witness it?

Kat:

Hi Hayley,

Everything in this creation is used by God for His purposes, we are now in this present evil age to experience good and evil from every means there is. So these 'naturally' occurring events are just part of what God has created and is now using to accomplish His plan.

I think things that happen like earthquakes or flood are designed into His plan to happen at precisely when God's foresight/predetermination and knew when He would want it to. But there is no doubt that He can maneuver things in nature supernaturally to respond according to His will.

It's all predetermined, He is not reacting to what is happening, "He knows the end from the beginning." Everything that happens is intricately intertwined with everything else that is happening. God is totally in charge and in control of everything.

Mat 10:29  Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father's will.
v. 30  But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
v. 31  Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

dodrill:
Thanks Kat - I get this - but that old mindset of God being like Thor and bringing down lightening on a whim in reaction to mankind's wrongs is too flimsy to hold up - when we know that everything is preordained and planned and fore knowable by God - it shows to me that the phantom freewill of events happening without forewarning or knowledge is not true - even nature runs with the plan of God and is subject to law - just men of old didn't see the creation as a whole and have some rational thinking of how things work - am I off on a tangent again? yes keep digging dodrill :) so maybe God hardened Pharaohs heart at the same time Egypt was preparing for their annual floods - synchronicity, serendipity, coincidence and timing - all perfect harmony for God is what I am trying to say :) thanks for listening :)

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