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se7en:
So true Microlink,

I like Ovi's example. The domino.

I didn't choose to be here, my momma didn't choose to be here, her momma didn't choose to be here......

Carry that domino effect all the way back to Adam.  It takes faith to believe this, the faith of Christ... But the Lord does not leave us hanging...  It's not "blind faith".  It makes sense!!!! All based on God's Word :)

2 Thess 2:11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

That delusion is so complete. Phew, out of all the people i've spoken to about this, only one seemed to be receptive to it. Because, wow, I choose when to go to the bathroom right?... etc... it FEELS like I'm in control.  I can see and have experienced the fear associated with "losing control". But our Father is so loving toward us... He is making us into the image of His son. That's the goal, that's the end process. To be like Him. The end is not "eternal seperation" or "eternal burning flames in a fiery furnace". 

rick:
Hello Microlink, This is a message I had sent to Kat and also Kats response. I hope it helps you understand this free will thing.


(I understand this free will series but am trying to understand how the choices I make work within the parameters of its of God.
Would you say this is right , that all my choices are of God but not by God, example,  God  is the cause of whatever I do but my choice is being made with an exceedingly weak heart as this is how God made us / me, so if I'm in error God intended it to be that way but God himself did not do my error I did it, God is responsible but I'm accountable. Is this the right understanding or am I missing it.)

Thanks for your answer Kat
Love and peace from your brother in Christ.




Hi Rick,

That is pretty much it. One thing I always try to keep in mind is that God is sovereign and the ultimate cause of everything that can ever happen, that's why He claims responsibility. But yes we (through His causings) do what our carnal lusts lead us to do and since we actually do whatever we do/say/think willingly/voluntarily, because we want to do it, we are going to have to give account. And yes it is because we are made carnal too weak to resist the lusts of the flesh.

Kat


Peace and Love to all.

Extol:
Ray said that if something is true, the more you study it, the more you look at it, the more you will see that it is true. Free will is one of those things. It seems so simple and obvious now. One of the things I learned from Ray is that we don't even need the Scriptures to disprove free will. It is a scientific and psychological impossibility for anything--including a choice--to happen without a cause. Ask anybody why they do anything. What will the answer start with? "Because...."

Ah, that word means there was a cause, and if there was a cause, the action was not "free."

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