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rick:
I would like to thank all of you for your replies as they helped me with my understanding and that which I needed to understand I now do.

Love and peace to all of you here at B.T

Pierdut:

--- Quote from: Rick on October 06, 2013, 05:38:45 PM ---I would like to thank all of you for your replies as they helped me with my understanding and that which I needed to understand I now do.

Love and peace to all of you here at B.T

--- End quote ---

Hi Rick, glad that my post helped you in some way; that made it worth the effort it took to post it on my phone. I am sort of an anomaly here on BT, as God has opened my eyes to see a lot of things that goody-two shoe zealous Christians can not (yet) see, or understand. And this happened years ago [like in'05'], when I was a church-attending Christian, and new to it yet was troubled by the whole "Hell" thing. It seemed so cruel to me, so unfair,  and in fact even evil... very evil; the epitome of evil. Anyway,  I wanted to learn more about this "Hell" thing, see what others had to say, and was hoping for a more just punishment for the those who died without accepting Christ and were therefore, "doomed," so I did a Google search for "Hell" and up pops Bible-Truths. com, and some bloke named Ray is saying that there is no "Hell" and I thought well this is better than what I was hoping for (eternal annihilation or separation from God, anything but eternally burning alive in unspeakable torment and pain that never ends). Then I came to realize that we also don't have a "free will," and that's what lead to my departure from Church.  I was on the list to get baptized,  but realized that their teaching was wrong and unscriptural and so I didn't attend their water baptism.

Anyway,  I say 'anomaly' because I also left this site, left God and went back out into the world, big time. This, after learning these truths. But God wouldn't let me 'get away with it,' and has shown me that, well, He is God, for one, and that I can't just tell Him to 'buzz-off' and 'leave me alone.' I tried, it doesn't work. I have paid greatly for my defiance, and am still paying for it. I was left broken; brought to my knees begging God for mercy and forgiveness. And that's what lead to my return here... it took many months of peeking in here for an answer to one thing or another before I finally re-registered an account.

There are things I disagree with on here, but as far as scripture is concerned, we pretty much see eye to eye.

rick:
Hello Pierdut, , Its all so incredible to me as well as mind boggling but there really is a God and  I had not only forgotten the church but I forgive them as they know not what THEY DO but the good news Is Jesus loves us and the father too . at first I became angry after reading the lake of fire series because I learned the truth as you did and everyone else also about hell ,its a lie its a fable its just plain wrong.

Everyone will be eventually saved and I think that is awesome and I love God because he will save everyone .  This free will thing is so important to understand as I see it as the narrow gate Jesus talked about. God's truth are here and God bless Ray with so much knowledge ,Like scripture says come out of Her and that's what I did thanks be to God who is all in all.

Love is the most important thing in the universe for without it we are nothing but its always God who gives the increase in all things. The greatest truth I learned here at Bible Truths is in the end everything is going to be OK for everyone ,the ends justifies the means.

Peace and Love to you my brother in Christ Jesus. No matter what, its all going to be OK for not only us but for everyone .Love God always as God is Good.

se7en:
Rick,

I love that you have read and reading the series on "no free will". That is definitely one of the biggest earth quake shattering events done within our heavens. Coming to the understanding and knowledge of this unseated me (that beast) on the throne.

Like you Rick, I asked the Father in earnest, to "please show me the truth, I don't care the cost. I just want to understand. Please show me!"  And I got what I asked for...  Little did I know that I, that first Adam in me, was about to be destroyed and is being destroyed (I die daily).

As Pierdut was saying, I got angry at God at first... angry at the church, angry at the world. HULK came out of me and did NOT want to let go of "free will".  He was there putting up quite a battle for a while. I went absolutely crazy. I understood and agreed with the concept of "no free will", but I just had to live it out... But as Truth grew in me, hulk subsided. I wasn't angry anymore.

And Pierdut, I know exactly what you mean... I've done all those similar things you speak of.  I honestly believe that's all part of the walk we are to endure. We all lose and leave our first love, and thank God He drags us back. It's all part of the walk. Your in good hands Pierdut :)

All of this (trial/tribulation) is for us, to develop the fruits of the spirit in us. Why does God desire us to be patient or thankful? Why does He command us to be thankful in all things?... always?  Because that brings about a fruit of the spirit... it also makes us feel happy.  Someone forgiven of murder is elated and extremely happy to know he has been forgiven... but given enough time and circumstances, that feeling or sense of "well being" subsides.  But when we think about the wonderful works of God and are THANKFUL for them, we are putting ourselves back into that frame of thought and a sense of happyness "well being" resurfaces.

I've recently been reading some psychology books and documentaries on "happyness". It's an attitude just like any other feeling. A mindset. Scientists have discovered that when basic needs are met.. i.e. food, clothing, shelter.... that everyone has the same level of happyness or lack of happyness. A 5 billion dollar rich man can be just as happy or sad as a person who lives in the slums in India. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. Granted there are major events that happen in our lives that can leave us sad or happy for a brief period, but it subsides.  It's easy to get complacent, not want to serve, the flesh is right here with us... but being thankful, thanking God, that changes our mindset to match His mindset and creates a sense of well being and feeling of happyness within us.

Shall we not receive both good and evil from God?  Of course!  But in all things we are thankful for it, because it's for our admonition, for our benefit. Learning to be content in all things. And this doesn't happen overnight, it takes time to develop the fruits of the spirit. There needs to be opposition in order to go THROUGH the trial and endure to the end. To develop the fruits of the spirit, which is what God is doing in the elect right now, it takes time, heat, and pressure. We are the one's being taught to live comfortably in the fire! NOW is judgement on the house of God, it's simply Grace teaching (chastening/judging/loving) us to forsake all ungodlyness and worldly lusts.

Before God showed me Truth, I was just ignorant. I was Blessed, the sun rose and fell on me too, but I was just dang ignorant (not being judged) and thought I knew God... BUT HAD NO CLUE! Thank God He has mercy on me in my ignorance.

It's all God's work. All of this. He's working it all! And I'm so thankful that He opened our eyes and ears to see and hear the Truth!  TO KNOW HIM!  That is life for the aion!

And because it's all Him and none of us....

Phil 1:6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

You can take that to the bank. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Because it's going to happen, if it hasn't happened/is happening in your life now.  I believe everyone here has and is experienceing the "day of Christ", it's judgement day.

I LOVE IT!!!

I hope this was uplifting for everyone :)     

microlink:
Hi all,
Some time I feel the free will thing is so complex.
At other times it seems so simple:
We have a will. Christ had a will. We do not have "free" will. It's that simple.
What is free is the truth. It's the truth that sets us free. You know the scripture. Thank God for that.

Joh_8:32  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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