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Predestined
thewatchman:
Praying and seeking God has nothing to do with God, but it is about us learning to come into agreement with God and his will. He is self sufficient and doesn't need us, but we still need him. So, we pray and he changes us and helps us overcome through dealings and trials. That's the process. Predestination is about the destination, not the journey towards that destination. 8)
Dave in Tenn:
On the contrary, watchman, it is also about the "journey". The Lord hardens hearts too. But He doesn't keep them hard. He sends lying spirits, but He casts them into the LOF. Everything is necessary for His purpose. Indeed, what little we know of a "destination" in my view is just another part of a journey we can't wrap our minds around. "Of the INCREASE of His Government and of peace there shall be no end." No destination in sight there, to my mind.
loretta:
In his message of April, 2011, Ray wrote
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12934.0.html
Again, I want to thank those who are still helping me with these expenses! And I especially thank all those who are praying for me. It is obvious that God is, at least presently, keeping me alive because of what you are doing. God honors your prayers and your generosity.
At first reading it appears that it contradicts what Ray wrote about prayer and praying by God's rules. But in hindsight, Ray knew that medically his body was as good as dead, but God had willed otherwise to keep him alive longer. So it can be correctly assumed that the BT forum family was praying according to the will of God, guided by God's Holy spirit.
But what did he mean when he wrote, 'God honors your prayers and your generosity?' Surely Ray knew what he was writing. What am I missing here? Now, I am so confused about God's sovereignty and prayer. :(
And I'd love to believe that what Ray wrote is true.
cjwood:
Again, I want to thank those who are still helping me with these expenses! And I especially thank all those who are praying for me. It is obvious that God is, at least presently, keeping me alive because of what you are doing. God honors your prayers and your generosity.
...But what did he mean when he wrote, 'God honors your prayers and your generosity?' Surely Ray knew what he was writing. What am I missing here? Now, I am so confused about God's sovereignty and prayer. :(
And I'd love to believe that what Ray wrote is true.
loretta, with regards to ray's referencing God's honoring the prayers and generosity, i believe he was speaking of the forum members who continued to contribute financially to him personally, and to the bible-truths website. that is what he meant by "generosity".
claudia
thewatchman:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on October 14, 2013, 02:54:03 PM ---On the contrary, watchman, it is also about the "journey". The Lord hardens hearts too. But He doesn't keep them hard. He sends lying spirits, but He casts them into the LOF. Everything is necessary for His purpose. Indeed, what little we know of a "destination" in my view is just another part of a journey we can't wrap our minds around. "Of the INCREASE of His Government and of peace there shall be no end." No destination in sight there, to my mind.
--- End quote ---
No Dave,
You are wrong. Predestination is about the destination we are predestined for. The place Christ has prepared for us. It is not a building, but it is a state of being. A spiritual dwelling so to speak. Fit for his habitation. That determines the journey taken and the lessons learned. If it a different destination then the journey changes. The destination is Christ within us, our hope of glory. To become like him. I can wrap my mind around that as a concept even though I don't know how God will lead me. The hardening and softening are all just part of the process of the journey, though the journey is not the ultimate destination. But each step necessary to reach the destination. So that one day we can say "I have run my race, I have finished my course." Judged now so that we need not be judged later. Vessels unto honour as the Master sees fit.
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