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So is church really bad?

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se7en:
Yes JohnChris, you got it! That is exactly what the Word is saying.

This is all a process.. The christian orthodox church is a necessary evil. If it wasn't for them, we would have nothing to contrast or come out of. First the fleshy, then the spiritual. Babylon and all her sister cities (other false religions) are there to provide us a set of doctrines to come out of.

dodrill:
Is personal experience the only way to learn in life?
What about learning from example
My small taste and exposure to religion knocked me flat
Oh yes I was a backslider - but in my reality - I didn't want to be like them  ;D

Kat:

The church is our 'first love' or when we come to know that there is a God. They do not have the knowledge of the truth of how to serve and obey God, so we soon lose sight of that first love. But it is necessary to go into the church so we truly understand what it is about, we are deceived by it just like they all are, so we should be able to sympathize with them better.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

se7en:
hayley,

Are you talking about learning how to shoot a gun vs. actually going out and shooting one?  using a gun as an example, it could be anything.

dodrill:
My parents were my first experience of love and an example of what Godly love is - not the church - I hear what you are saying - but the church system has morphed into a brand of their own spirituality and are lawless
There was a time when scripture had no guess work - what was written was law and spiritual - the temple was a place of worship, learning and government
So what is the difference to being called out of the church and the great falling away? People leave because their is no truth in them and the church certainly does not fulfill the same vocation they did in the past - so how can this modern day institution be a sanctuary of learning about God and Law?
Hardly a love story - we were just duped to think God would be found there - but He is everywhere
Reminds me of the parable of the wedding feast - the ones that were invited were too busy to attend - so the servants went to the highways and byways inviting all
To learn from example is to not make the same mistakes other people make - something like the 100 monkey syndrome - over a period of time we learn from others mistakes - so yes - knowing what the dangers and pitfalls are we can avoid them :)

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