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Can you explain how God exist?
mickiel:
Humans are interested in religion, and people are explaining their religion and gaining converts. There is a missing link to God, but its being diverted and perverted by those who explain it. Hindusim grew by 237% lately, Sikitism by 338%, Baha'l by 200%, Native American religion by 119%, Buddhism by 170%, New Age by 240%, Deist grew by 717%, Islam by 109%; Universalist by 25%, and Christianity by 5%. Many people want answers, and God himself desires for them to get those answers, 1Tim.2:3-4 explains its good and acceptable in Gods sight and he personally desires that all humans be saved and " come to the knowledge of the truth." Its going to be a wonderful day when he sets that in full motion. I think its interesting what Paul said in 1Tim. 1:11, " According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, " With which I have been " Entrusted."
Interesting; so God trust you by revealing some truth to you, for what? To keep it to yourself? To keep it a club secret? This world is suffering because God has not been properly explained; religion has literally ruined the reputation of God. I once read a strange comment by an unknown writer; he said if the Kingdom of God is anything like these Christians, then its ruined already. Clear thinkers of the truth of God are so desperately needed. Yet many of them are not willing to explain God. Which I think is the 9th wonder of the world.
So many things can explain God; DNA. DNA shows patterns that could only have been created by Christ, by his intelligence , Col. 1:16, they in no manner could have been random. Science pushes this metamorphosis of the nothing, and some entrusted with the truth are saying nothing about it. But I understand that; I just wish it was not so. I could take 20 people from this website and have a handful of knowledge that could defeat an army of preachers that evangelize and mismanage the minds of so many believers.
Kat:
--- Quote ---Interesting; so God trust you by revealing some truth to you, for what? To keep it to yourself? To keep it a club secret? This world is suffering because God has not been properly explained; religion has literally ruined the reputation of God. I once read a strange comment by an unknown writer; he said if the Kingdom of God is anything like these Christians, then its ruined already. Clear thinkers of the truth of God are so desperately needed. Yet many of them are not willing to explain God. Which I think is the 9th wonder of the world.
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Hi mickiel, but we do know that God is sovereign and therefore all things are exactly as His plan has preordained them to be... so do you think that God is "entrusting" the truth to a few so that could witness to the world and change the direction it is going?
I believe this age is going to remain the same that it has been from it's beginning, the human race is all carnal through and through, until we receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to obey and serve God and bare the fruit of that Spirit, and that Spirit is only being "entrusted" to a very few now.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
http://bible-truths.com/lake15-B.html ----------
"And we are His witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that OBEY Him" (Acts 5:32).
And so Romans 8:7 teaches us that we can’t obey God without His Spirit, and Acts 5:32 teaches us that God only gives His Spirit to those who do obey Him.
v
Man’s will is not free. Man has a will, but it is not free from the causes that make it do what it does.
v
Remember in Part A I showed you that it all starts in the HEART and mind, not in the will. Just start adding up all the Scriptural truths that we have learned and this whole thing of human will becomes very simple to understand.
"For from within, out of the HEART of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man" (Mark 7:21-23).
The HEART is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked [Hebrew: ‘exceeding weak’] who can know it" (Jer. 17:9).
"Because the carnal mind is enmity [hatred] against God: for it is NOT subject to the law of God, neither indeed CAN BE [neither is it ABLE]" (Rom. 8:7).
"Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may ye also do good, that are accustomed [carnal-minded from our birth, as the nation of Israel was] to do evil" (Jer. 13:23).
"For it is God which works in you both TO WILL and TO DO of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).
"In Whom also we have OBTAINED an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED according to the PURPOSE of Him Who works ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL" (Eph. 1:11).
There are FIVE "causes" listed in just this one sentence.
"For we are HIS WORKMANSHIP, [this is the cause an force behind our Christian walk. We are ‘His workmanship’ in action, not some presumed freedom of the will in action] created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has BEFORE ORDAINED that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10).
Etc., etc.
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Mat 11:27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
Until the Holy Spirit comes in we/the world does not even know God, much less love and serve Him.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
mickiel:
--- Quote from: Kat on November 02, 2013, 03:49:31 PM ---
--- Quote ---Interesting; so God trust you by revealing some truth to you, for what? To keep it to yourself? To keep it a club secret? This world is suffering because God has not been properly explained; religion has literally ruined the reputation of God. I once read a strange comment by an unknown writer; he said if the Kingdom of God is anything like these Christians, then its ruined already. Clear thinkers of the truth of God are so desperately needed. Yet many of them are not willing to explain God. Which I think is the 9th wonder of the world.
--- End quote ---
Hi mickiel, but we do know that God is sovereign and therefore all things are exactly as His plan has preordained them to be... so do you think that God is "entrusting" the truth to a few so that could witness to the world and change the direction it is going?
I believe this age is going to remain the same that it has been from it's beginning, the human race is all carnal through and through, until we receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to obey and serve God and bare the fruit of that Spirit, and that Spirit is only being "entrusted" to a very few now.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
http://bible-truths.com/lake15-B.html ----------
"And we are His witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that OBEY Him" (Acts 5:32).
And so Romans 8:7 teaches us that we can’t obey God without His Spirit, and Acts 5:32 teaches us that God only gives His Spirit to those who do obey Him.
v
Man’s will is not free. Man has a will, but it is not free from the causes that make it do what it does.
v
Remember in Part A I showed you that it all starts in the HEART and mind, not in the will. Just start adding up all the Scriptural truths that we have learned and this whole thing of human will becomes very simple to understand.
"For from within, out of the HEART of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man" (Mark 7:21-23).
The HEART is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked [Hebrew: ‘exceeding weak’] who can know it" (Jer. 17:9).
"Because the carnal mind is enmity [hatred] against God: for it is NOT subject to the law of God, neither indeed CAN BE [neither is it ABLE]" (Rom. 8:7).
"Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may ye also do good, that are accustomed [carnal-minded from our birth, as the nation of Israel was] to do evil" (Jer. 13:23).
"For it is God which works in you both TO WILL and TO DO of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).
"In Whom also we have OBTAINED an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED according to the PURPOSE of Him Who works ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL" (Eph. 1:11).
There are FIVE "causes" listed in just this one sentence.
"For we are HIS WORKMANSHIP, [this is the cause an force behind our Christian walk. We are ‘His workmanship’ in action, not some presumed freedom of the will in action] created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has BEFORE ORDAINED that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10).
Etc., etc.
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Mat 11:27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
Until the Holy Spirit comes in we/the world does not even know God, much less love and serve Him.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Well no Kat, not to " Change" the world, a witness does not need to change, only to inform; to deliver information; make announcements, counter this worldly mess with some strong truth! Some informative correction, and leave conversion to God. I am not advocating changing people, the Holy Spirit has that job, but I am saying that in my view, witnessing has gotten lost in some people of God, somehow along the way; and that to me is a weird kind of seductuion; to silence God's people, or keep them talking to just each other. The world needs God's people, and the demons would love to herd them into sections and keep them from the world. You can be in the world and not be part of it; good grief, we all live in the world anyway; we are not some kind of monks who live on an island.
What we know and understand, the world needs to know! What they do with that knowledge is not of our power; but I don't like this " Mute button" placed on some of God's people, and in my view, God didNOT push that button. I don't where we got that from. But its a shell I think we need to come out of.
Kat:
mickiel, I understand what you are saying... what I am saying is everything is exactly like the sovereign God wants it to just like it is. If there needed to be more witnessing from God's people He would have inspired that in them, they bare the fruit of His Spirit, so His Spirit would have brought it about.
I am not against witnessing, but neither am I really for it, God's will is done in whatever takes place. That's all I'm saying.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
mickiel:
--- Quote from: Kat on November 02, 2013, 09:21:50 PM ---
mickiel, I understand what you are saying... what I am saying is everything is exactly like the sovereign God wants it to just like it is. If there needed to be more witnessing from God's people He would have inspired that in them, they bare the fruit of His Spirit, so His Spirit would have brought it about.
I am not against witnessing, but neither am I really for it, God's will is done in whatever takes place. That's all I'm saying.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Well I certainly understand you; I am for it myself. Ray did it, Jesus did it, all the Prophets did it, the diciples did it, all men or women called by God in the bible did it, I see nowhere in scripture where it says not to do it; I see no command from Christ or God not to do it; and if those moderday people called by God won't do it, I am sure Christ will make the rocks do it. Or the trees; or the animals. I don't agree that God is " Not inspiring his people to do it", I think they have been seduced into not doing it, for many deep reasons. One of the ways the Spirit helps people, is through other people. Or it can appeal to them directly; either way, but I think both ways are needed. Both ways are Godly. When God popped the truth into my head, he used both ways.
I don't want to see either way subtracted.
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