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Can you explain how God exist?
Dave in Tenn:
You have my permission to continue. But don't dare tell me or anybody else that Scripture makes all of us the same and that if we are not doing as you do, we are doing the devil's work.
Believe me, there is a christian somewhere wringing his hands over YOU for not going door to door.
Kat:
mickiel, this excerpt is from the article on 'WINNING SOULS FOR JESUS?'
http://bible-truths.com/souls.htm ---------------
LIGHT AND SALT DON’T ARGUE OR MAKE NOISE
"Ye are the salt of the earth… Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid… Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Matt. 5:1,14,16).
Salt does not make any noise, and light does not argue Scriptures. Neither salt nor light makes any sound whatsoever. Maybe there is a lesson in there.
Too many people learn a few truths of God and think that they are ready to take on the world. They usually start by trying to embarrass their Pastor with their new-gained knowledge. Usually they fall flat on their face on the very first try. It’s all about motivation. If your motivation is carnal, God will not back you. Yes, I know, all of you are saying: "But my motivation is to show them God’s truths." Yes, sure, I understand, but THEY DON’T WANT TO HEAR GOD’S TRUTHS, and you already know this, so what is your point? Leave them alone and let them taste your salt and see your light and admire your good works, and perchance they will even praise God for your new-found humility,
You will never argue anyone into accepting the truths of God’s Word. As salesmen are often taught: "You might win the argument, but loose the sale," so don’t argue. And this: "He who is persuaded against his will; is of the same opinion still."
I receive a lot of emails from people who beg me to come to their rescue because they are about to have a second session with their pastor or friend, but have failed miserably on the first go-round. Now they want me to give them the ammunition they need to do a slam-dunk on their second attempt to embarrass their pastor or friend. Give it up—that attitude is wrong. Such a carnal exhibition of prideful flesh is akin to someone looking for a street fight merely because he has just acquired a black belt in karate.
HOW TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH
I personally know a man who has his little wife working two jobs to support their family so that he can study the Scriptures and enter into doctrinal debates with other Christians at the local Cafe as a perpetual hobby. Notice the admonition of the Apostle Peter:
"Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; having your conversation [Gk: ‘conduct’] honest [Gk: ‘honorable’] among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may BY YOUR GOOD WORKS, [Not your clever Bible arguments], which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation" (I Pet. 2:11-12).
Your good works and righteous character will pay dividends to others eventually—if not in this life, then in the Judgment.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
mickiel:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on November 03, 2013, 05:56:49 PM ---You have my permission to continue. But don't dare tell me or anybody else that Scripture makes all of us the same and that if we are not doing as you do, we are doing the devil's work.
Believe me, there is a christian somewhere wringing his hands over YOU for not going door to door.
--- End quote ---
Oh I would not dare say something like that, because it would not be true. I simply said to each his own. I judge no one. I observe what I observe. I do what I do. I just believe that the devil does work; and God works; and I think part of the " Work" of God, is witnessing. And when the salt has lost its savor or flavor, it does not " Work."
And I know there are Christians wringing their hands over me not going door to door; I don't do that; but I have told many of my neighbors about God, many of my Aunts and Uncles; many of my friends and many of my enemies. Some people know this truth and won't even do that. Live next to someone for 20 years and not tell them about God. I have went website to website for years, I guess they are a type of " Door." We do whats in our hearts.
I'll do whats in my heart, and I don't mind doing it. I don't mind explaining how God exist , to anybody.
mickiel:
--- Quote from: Kat on November 03, 2013, 06:30:13 PM ---
mickiel, this excerpt is from the article on 'WINNING SOULS FOR JESUS?'
http://bible-truths.com/souls.htm ---------------
LIGHT AND SALT DON’T ARGUE OR MAKE NOISE
"Ye are the salt of the earth… Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid… Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Matt. 5:1,14,16).
Salt does not make any noise, and light does not argue Scriptures. Neither salt nor light makes any sound whatsoever. Maybe there is a lesson in there.
Kat
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Well I think there is a lesson in that scripture; again one key word that stands out to me is " Works." What is works? Does it mean " Working on yourself"; and people see how " Good you work on yourself?' Is the light shinning on yourself? And they see it and then are impressed with you? While you say nothing to them??? Make no sound whatsoever? Well I think the character God gives to a person, is then their persona, which can indeed shine like a light and just be recognized. Thats one way to look at that; and another is " Works." Works can be witnessing, just no doubt about it; telling others the good news of their salvation. People can see you working on this message and glorify God for his purpose, and be real glad that this eternal hell suffering is not the real deal. Its worth telling people that.
I was on an Atheist site last month and just popped it out on a thread. Some of them were relieved to hear such an unusual version of the bible explained; and liked it. Could actually almost see the real Mercy and Grace of God. They could almost see the Light; and that will forever be a witness to them. Not so much as me being such a light, but a light was shown to them. Perhaps turned on and then back off; but a light nonetheless. And I did not argue with them. But many of them were upset. So do you stop working because others get upset? Because they don't believe? Because they are not called? No, keep working. Keep pushing out that news.
Craig:
Mickiel, Why do you keep arguing?? Nobody says you are wrong for witnessing, talking to people, being a light etc. But you seem to be wanting others to be like you. Why? It almost seems like witnessing is an idol of your heart.
Witnessing is not wrong if God is leading you to do this, it is not wrong if He is not leading somebody else to do the same. It seems like you are looking for afirmation, if so you have it. Just don't tell others it is required by them, when you do this you are attempting to put a yoke around their neck, not unlike every other religion out there. The good news is God is in control and molding us into His image, be ready to let Him lead and understand your road may be different than mine, your gifts may be different; but in the end we all come out perfected.
Craig
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