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Just need to vent how about you?
se7en:
I'm going to restate Santgem's post....
GOD CREATES AND USES EVIL FOR GOOD!
He is using "all of this" for the salvation of all. Nothing is wasted. It's all necessary to save every last one of us. *does tippy-toe happy dance*
rick:
Theophilus
The question you asked me is a question I now believe many believers probably been asking for two thousand years, ( How are we to square our experience with 1 Peter 2:11-12 )
I’m not sure how one squares this with Peter 2: 11- 2 ) I come to understand that I have a will that is subjected to Gods will, I read many scriptures in the new testament that seems to suggest that the believer is to conquer their sin issue. Now I found in my life if I try to conquer a particular sin I end up doing that sin even more.
But what am I saying to God when I try to conquer any sin in my life ? Oh just sit there Lord and let me show you how I can conquer my sins, but then how do I square away with Rom 8: 20 -22
"For the creature [and/or creation itself] was MADE subject to VANITY NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of Him [that’s God] Who HATH SUBJECTED the same in hope. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the BONDAGE OF CORRUPTION into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the WHOLE CREATION groans and travails IN PAIN until NOW" (Rom. 8:20-22)!
There are so many things I don’t understand but this I do believe , I read somewhere in the lake of fire where Ray said one will want to stop sinning long before they do stop sinning.
I’m apart of God’s creation just like any other one , I don’t call the shots I ‘m not a sinner because I sin but rather I sin because I’m a sinner. Sinning comes so natural by nature but the difference for me is I never saw myself as a sinner where as now I do.
So now I see I’m a sinner and tried to stop sinning but the more I try to stop sinning the more I sin so what should I say to this? Maybe God wants me to see I’m a sinner and God wants me to stop sinning on my own but I discovered I can not stop on my own.
So I conclude when I no longer sin its ( A ) I’m dead and can no longer sin or ( B ) God stops me from sinning by His willing me not to sin. When I do stop sinning I know it will only be by the grace of God I stop sinning and no other way.
P.S. I’m still learning but learning from a nature I was given by God which is stated in Rom 8: 20 -22 . He’s the potter I’m the pot, God help me is all I can say, I’m at God’s mercy
Thank you for your question as it got me thinking.
Love and peace to all.
arion:
So now I see I’m a sinner and tried to stop sinning but the more I try to stop sinning the more I sin so what should I say to this? Maybe God wants me to see I’m a sinner and God wants me to stop sinning on my own but I discovered I can not stop on my own.
All people including Christians have a beast within themselves sitting on the throne of our hearts. That beast indeed claims that it is a 'god' with the power of it's free will that everyone thinks that they have. That is the one thing that people have in common with each other and all religions and even atheists believe that they have. They think they have free will and free moral agency even though the scriptures tell us it isn't so. This is certainly an idol of the heart we are all born with, one of the most difficult to overcome and indeed can't be overcome at all unless God gives us the power to do so. Even to see this beast takes spiritual vision that only God can give.
That is why our primary battle isn't an outward one against other nations, peoples, politicians, moral depravity, ect, ect, ect. It's an internal battle against the beast who doesn't want to be dethroned. Interesting thing though is you ask a Christian if they want to live an obedient life and if they want to quit sinning [insert the particular sin that grabs them more than others] and of course they will say that they want to overcome this anchor in their lives that they know isn't pleasing to God.
Ask them if they want to overcome it and want to be obedient and they say yes. Then ask them what happened to their 'free will' and then they are silenced. Paul describes this battle of all battles in Romans 7. Oh yes, we all have a will to be sure but it's anything but free. We aren't free until Christ makes us free and it happens in his way and his timing and not our own. Indeed as Ray has taught we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. The focus is on the fear and trembling because if God doesn't do it [the overcoming] in us it isn't going to get done. I am mindful of this every day. Regardless...God has a timetable for each and every one of us and not even our own bumbling and foul ups can change that time table one iota. You, I, all of us are right where God wants us to be right now at this point in time. To me, that is pretty encouraging.
DougE6:
Surely we have some victories, don't we?
Do we walk in the spirit sometimes? Does not the scriptures say that if we walk in the spirit we will not gratify the sinful nature?
There are some sins that I seem powerless to get over. But I DO want to become victorious. And I can see that I have changed and I did obey in some other areas and that gave me joy even though I fail in this other area.
Surely our struggles teach us deep lessons. Humble us. I know God loves humility in His people.
I just don't believe it is right to have a defeatist attitude. When I find one in me at times, I repent of it. Surely the joy of the Lord can give us strength.
Don't give up. This is not beastly to have an attitude of obedience. I don't want to be the one who buries his one talent in the ground and does nothing.
Mat 25:24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, 'Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed,
Mat 25:25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.'
Mat 25:26 But his master answered him, 'You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed?
Mat 25:27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest.
Mat 25:28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents.
Mat 25:29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
Mat 25:30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
rick:
I believe as God has taught through Ray which is I have not free will and think , do and say as God directs my footsteps 24/7......365 days a year. I have planted my feet on a sure foundation this time around but wait.....was it not God that planted my feet? Surely it was God and surely it was God that brought me to this website know as B.T.
I will stop sinning when God says so and that is that. Anyone who claims to be righteous is only so because of God and none other.
What I have learned here at B.T. I view it as God’s truths with all my heart. I think if anyone tells me that I play a role in any part of my salvation may be sincere but is sincerely wrong.
I come to understand that God owns even my next breath as well as my every decision and all action although my action may be of God but not of God and even this I have come to understand.
I believe Jesus is the savior of the world specially of those who believe so either way Jesus got me covered and Jesus made sure I come to understand this too.
I learned the war is from within not from without and Jesus is the author and finisher of my faith, faith that He gave me , I didn’t give me faith and also I come to understand everything I have in my life He allotted those things to me even my life has he given to me.
These are my beliefs which I have learned here at B.T. and I’m going to run with them and I know in the end I will be found with the right belief system because God saw to it that I should acknowledge him in spirit and in truth. :)
Peace and Love to all.
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