Hi George,
I want to know if the Words Jesus spoke on the cross "Abba, Father, why hast thou forsaken me" are significant with regards Jesus being in charge of all things with His Father.
Could it be that before Jesus could die, The Father (the source of Life) had to leave Jesus and desert His Son.
Here is a email where Ray commented on this.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2775.0.html ---
No, David, neither do I believe that God "turned HIs back on His only Son."
There are those who teach it, however. Jesus quoted the first few words found
is Psalm 22 which goes on to describe just Who the Messiah was to be and the
purpose for Him being crucified.
God be with you,
Ray
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Psa 22:1 To the Chief Musician. Set to "The Deer of the Dawn." A Psalm of David.
My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?
Why are You so far from helping Me,
And from the words of My groaning?
v. 2 O My God, I cry in the daytime, but You do not hear;
And in the night season, and am not silent.
v. 3 But You are holy,
Enthroned in the praises of Israel.
v. 4 Our fathers trusted in You;
They trusted, and You delivered them.
v. 5 They cried to You, and were delivered;
They trusted in You, and were not ashamed.
v. 6 But I am a worm, and no man;
A reproach of men, and despised by the people.
v. 7 All those who see Me ridicule Me;
They shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
v. 8 "He trusted in the LORD, let Him rescue Him;
Let Him deliver Him, since He delights in Him!"
v. 9 But You are He who took Me out of the womb;
You made Me trust while on My mother's breasts.
v. 10 I was cast upon You from birth.
From My mother's womb
You have been My God.
v. 11 Be not far from Me,
For trouble is near;
For there is none to help.
v. 12 Many bulls have surrounded Me;
Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled Me.
v. 13 They gape at Me with their mouths,
Like a raging and roaring lion.
v. 14 I am poured out like water,
And all My bones are out of joint;
My heart is like wax;
It has melted within Me.
v. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And My tongue clings to My jaws;
You have brought Me to the dust of death.
v. 16 For dogs have surrounded Me;
The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me.
They pierced My hands and My feet;
v. 17 I can count all My bones.
They look and stare at Me.
v. 18 They divide My garments among them,
And for My clothing they cast lots.
v. 19 But You, O LORD, do not be far from Me;
O My Strength, hasten to help Me!
v. 20 Deliver Me from the sword,
My precious life from the power of the dog.
v. 21 Save Me from the lion's mouth
And from the horns of the wild oxen!
You have answered Me.
v. 22 I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
v. 23 You who fear the LORD, praise Him!
All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him,
And fear Him, all you offspring of Israel!
v. 24 For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;
Nor has He (the Father) hidden His face from Him (Jesus);
But when He (Jesus) cried to Him, He (the Father) heard. v. 25 My praise shall be of You in the great assembly;
I will pay My vows before those who fear Him.
v. 26 The poor shall eat and be satisfied;
Those who seek Him will praise the LORD.
Let your heart live forever!
v. 27 All the ends of the world
Shall remember and turn to the LORD,
And all the families of the nations
Shall worship before You.
v. 28 For the kingdom is the LORD's,
And He rules over the nations.
v. 29 All the prosperous of the earth
Shall eat and worship;
All those who go down to the dust
Shall bow before Him,
Even he who cannot keep himself alive.
v. 30 A posterity shall serve Him.
It will be recounted of the Lord to the next generation,
v. 31 They will come and declare His righteousness to a people who will be born,
That He has done this.
Jesus Christ knew full well what He had came in the flesh for and that was to offer Himself as a sacrifice. This was no cry for help, but maybe that part was actually a comfort to Him (verse 24) while carrying out most grievous part of God's plan for Him.
At a time of great duress, yet Jesus still spoke to express the actual fulfillment of the prophesy (in Psalms 22) that He was going through at that very moment. Realize that Jesus was just quoting the prophecy of how the Messiah must die and was not having dialogue or asking a question. Those people knew this Psalms very well and now His reference to it showed and documented, for them and us, that He knew He was fulfilling it.
From Ray's paper on '12 God-Given Truths to Understanding His Word' [truth #4]
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htmJesus did not fulfill the sacrificed sin offering only. Jesus was not merely one offering, but the many offerings, burnt offerings, the meat offering, the peace offerings, the trespass offering, and the sin offering. Jesus also prefigured the priest doing the offering, the meaning of each offering, the compartments and furniture of the tabernacle, the bread, the candles, the curtain, the ark of the covenant, the tabernacle itself, and the whole nation of Israel—Jesus prefigures all and FULFILLED ALL.
No one could comprehend every verse in the Old Testament Scriptures that represented Jesus, but they could learn the PRINCIPLE by which Jesus fulfilled all the law and all the prophets. And that is how the apostles and the two disciples on the road to Emmaus had their understanding of the Scriptures opened in just a very short time. When the Scriptures speak of Israel they speak of Jesus, and when they speak of Jesus they speak of us, for "…as Jesus is, so are we in the world" (I John 4:17).
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mercy, peace and love
Kat