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Suspicions about the very great evil in Churches
octoberose:
May I add a different thought to this discussion?
I had the opportunity to go to an exhibit this weekend on the Bible and how the Bible was assembled from its earliest letters to now. They showed a few fragments of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and copies of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls, original Latin manuscripts and then early translations of the Bible in English. Did you know the Bible was only translated in Latin for over 600 years? And to translate it in other languages for many of those years was punishable by death. What really struck me was the story of William Tyndale, a brillant and talented linguist who who was burned at the stake in 1536 for translating the Bible into English. He defied the Catholic church with the intent that the "boy who drives the plow" know more scripture than the Catholic clergy. Until then, you and I would only have been able to hear the Word of God in a dead language and we would have had to listen to the interpretations of the Word from others. Tyndale's last words were, "Lord, open the king of Englands eyes". Why do I bring this up? Because as far as I know, Tyndale had no concept of universal reconciliation and he probably believed in the Trinity, but he was willing to die to bring us the words that you and I read every day. God used him mightily and in fact, answered his prayer when three years later the king 'allowed' the "Great Bible" to be translated in English. There's just nothing in me that wants to belittle the men and women who have (and are still being) martyred in order to follow what they believe God is asking of them.
It's easy to believe what we believe (because God has given it to us) but who in this forum will be asked to die to declare it? Maybe some of us will, but until that day we are pretty safe and comfortable behind our computers as we express ourselves however were choose to one another. There are others who assemble in a building with the word church on it, and they give, and they are kind, and they ask forgiveness, and they study and do many works of service only because they love God . I just don't have it in me to do anything other than look on them compassionately as I declare the hope that God has given me. Thanks for listening.
Kat:
Ray also had a conference with an extensive study on 'How We Got The Bible,' which reveals much about what you were speaking of Octoberose.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5815.0.html
I do not believe there is any intent to "belittle" any people that have worked according to the will of God as His plan has determined it to be, nor those people that just blinded follow the teaching of the church leaders. His plan will determine what place each and every one of us will hold, some vessels of honor, some of dishonor and we have no say in the matter, "that no flesh should glory before God" (1Co 1:29).
But it is also God's will that we be prudent to recognize those that are deceived and blinded to the truth and to avoid them.
Mal 3:17 "They shall be Mine," says the LORD of hosts,
"On the day that I make them My jewels.
And I will spare them
As a man spares his own son who serves him."
v. 18 Then you shall again discern
Between the righteous and the wicked,
Between one who serves God
And one who does not serve Him.
Pro 14:7 Go from the presence of a foolish man,
When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.
v. 8 The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way,
But the folly of fools is deceit.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
se7en:
Moises,
I absolutely agree with you on what you are saying.
I'm a professional magician by trade. I entertain and perform magic for audiences for fun. Those hypnosis steps not only work for hypnosis, but those are exactly the same type of steps a magician will follow to perform an illusion. So as hypnosis is in the throne of the church, so is magic and manipulation.
As a magician, I always have to leave out a bit of truth for every illusion I perform. If I was to show you everything, and tell you everything, the effect would be less than magical... it would be mundane and no fun to watch. The audience would feel let down, they have an expectation to witness a miracle.
It's very subtle, I perform a lie with my speech, through time misdirection, or misdirection/placement of your five senses. If I can focus your eyes and attention here.... I can do "the behind the scenes work" over here. There are so many ways to do this.
The church is rampant with these effects, via doing good works, constantly busy with meetings, and teachings (that leave out bits of truth) and MORE good works. It is through all of that, that we are tricked into believing that we are righteous and doing good. We say "I'm so glad that I do all these things God and I'm not like this publican over here."
God is the greatest magician of all time and His master delusion blinds us all to the Truth for a time, worked by the churches where the throne of Satan sits... inside all of us, until self is de-throned by the brightness of His coming :)
lareli:
--- Quote from: octoberose on January 28, 2014, 01:53:19 AM --- There are others who assemble in a building with the word church on it, and they give, and they are kind, and they ask forgiveness, and they study and do many works of service only because they love God . I just don't have it in me to do anything other than look on them compassionately as I declare the hope that God has given me. Thanks for listening.
--- End quote ---
Yes.
And in reference to what you said about Tyndale, what matters to God? Does He care more about how "right" we are in what doctrine we believe, or does He care more about whether or not we DO what He says? Knowing the "deeper truths" wont save anyone. You can know all the mysteries of God and still be just a noisy gong if you dont have love for your neighbor. Theres a lot of people who attend "church" who are humble in spirit and love God and their neighbor as was commanded.
John from Kentucky:
What does Jesus say?
...Come out of her My people, that you not be partakers of her sins, and that you do not receive her plagues. Rev 18:4
Satan appears as an angel of light. Satan's ministers appear good, as do the church goers.
Listen to Jesus! Don't be stupid. Run as fast as you can from the Christian churches. Separate yourselves from them. Don't look back.
Join the small few in the Church of the Living God in the Spiritual Wilderness. Where God will protect you for a time, times, and half a time.
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