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Suspicions about the very great evil in Churches
rick:
Dave, I would say to anyone here, I am least of all of you, it is my hope I have not given any other impression outside of what I have mentioned. I understand Satan has his role as we all do.
I’m not so much angry at this thread as I am perplexes by it. Why in Gods creation would any of us care about what Satan is doing in any church?
Yes I agree Ray has spoken about Satan but for our understanding but there is a huge difference between that which Ray says about Satan and what I understand this thread to be about.
Why should we give Satan any glory whatsoever ? We know from Rays papers about the synagogue of Satan but Ray was not interested in how much evil Satan is up to but rather what his purpose is and how we benefit from it.
Its not my intention to cause dissension but why not talk about what our heavenly Father is doing rather than what Satan is doing. That’s all I’m saying.
Peace and love to all.
cjwood:
Moises, you need to repent for doing this thread.
rick, what you said to moises noted above in bold, is not cool. if the moderators felt moises needed to repent for starting this thread, they would have never let him start it, or at the very least, have already locked it down. but for one of us to tell another of us we need to repent, for all the world to read, is just not right.
just saying.
claudia
acomplishedartis:
--- Quote from: se7en on January 28, 2014, 12:03:32 PM ---The church is rampant with these effects, via doing good works, constantly busy with meetings, and teachings (that leave out bits of truth) and MORE good works. It is through all of that, that we are tricked into believing that we are righteous and doing good. We say "I'm so glad that I do all these things God and I'm not like this publican over here."
God is the greatest magician of all time and His master delusion blinds us all to the Truth for a time, worked by the churches where the throne of Satan sits... inside all of us, until self is de-throned by the brightness of His coming :)
--- End quote ---
Se7en
Thanks for your input! it helps to expand the subject. I am glad I made this thread and I don't repent of it.
acomplishedartis:
One of my points when starting this thread is that there are rituals being performed in the Church which are of Satan, or better said; rituals that Satan use to keep us away of spiritual matters of truth. Now I am going to prove farther this point for clarification. Think about this, if certain rituals are constantly performed in a Masonic church, this rituals are called masonic rituals. If certain rituals are constantly performed in the synagogue of Satan, then, how can you name this rituals?
Talking about rituals I will quote Ray saying:
You do all these things and you will be a holy person, it will just make your heart so wonderful? But what it does is it makes hypocrites and heretics out of people…
If you don’t see that, you are just spinning your wheels in physical rituals. You don’t get any more obnoxious than holier than thou, seventh day Sabbath keepers and holy sacred name societies. Maybe it’s a secret handshake, it’s like you belong to the Masons and you get a secret handshake and your in, you see. It’s total nonsense.
Usually we get scared about what we don't understand. Satan is just a spirit that is God's lackeys, as we can see it in the book of job, and if we have the spirit that comes from God we have nothing to be afraid about. If we presently find ourselves in a spiritual war fare; I don't think that having in mind this information is useless.
If somebody thinks I being irrationally harsh with the Church institution, just point out one of the points of my list (which are placed on the begining of this thread) and prove it wrong, is that simple, there is no need for hard feelings. On the other hand, I understand how it's hard sometimes to separate what we know to be truth about the Church from our merciful feelings toward those that have been deceived by the Church. But when I started this thread I did said: ''Most of the things on the list are performed by the church leaders, they are the ones more accountable.'' and I stand on it.
And if somebody thinks I am harsh with church leaders, here is what Ray said about them on ("Hell is a Christian Hoax"),
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Jesus calls these leaders of the Church, "angels of the Devil," "the children of their father the Devil." The Apostle Paul calls them "Satan's ministers."
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their works" (II Cor. 11:15).
Let's take off the blinders and see who these "angels of the Devil" really are:
You are now looking at cartoon/caricatures of the
"angels of the Devil." There are millions of them, and
like Bill Wiese, they have been "deceiving the whole world."
(PLACE FOR THE IMAGE)
God calls them: Priests, Pastors, Prophets, Apostles, Shepherds,
Watchmen, Teachers, Evangelists, & Ministers, but collectively they
are the "angels & ministers" of Satan.
PLEASE NOTE: I am not saying that all Christian Ministers are the Devil's Angels, but those that are the Devil's angels are ministers and leaders in the Christian Church. There is no other group that can be called "many" which do "many wonderful works in the Name of Jesus" except teachers and ministers in the Christian Church. It is impossible to even conceive of a single non-Christian who would do "many wonderful works," and do them "in the Name of Jesus." So where would one find "MANY" non-Christians who do "many wonderful works" in the "Name of Jesus?"
I will not use real photos of real Christian leaders, as it is not my responsibility to judge any specific Church leaders. But we are admonished: "...by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince [expose] the gainsayers [those who contradict sound doctrine]" And so, I am exposing this unscriptural and evil Christian doctrine of an eternal hell and those who teach it.
No Christian who has studied the Scriptures and been gifted with even a meager understanding, should be blown away by this revelation regarding the deception of Church leaders. God has always held His church leaders and spiritual guides responsible for the failures in the Church and in the nation. It is shocking when one first reads of God's condemnation of the leaders in His Church.
arion:
Paul said;
2Co 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
A lot of Christians are very ignorant of his devices as we all were when we were in the church system. It is not wrong to expose those devices for what they are. That is part of what the teachings we have received here are for. Now then, there is an unhealthy preoccupation with such things on the part of many and it gets to the point where many Christians rival the non believers when it comes to religious superstitious nonsense. I don't think too much about satan as I know that his powers are circumscribed and tightly controlled. God keeps a very tight leash on him if you will.
Like in many things there is balance involved. Some don't want to say anything about satan because they are afraid that gives glory to him and they are religiously superstitious and are also afraid of attracting any attention from the dark side. And others are preoccupied with things such as so called [the way they call it] spiritual warfare and wanting to learn the names of demons and how to cast them out, ect. The balance I believe is somewhat in the middle. Be aware and learn the lessons that God has us to learn about satan and his operations and then move on with the lessons God is teaching us.
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