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Suspicions about the very great evil in Churches
Kat:
Hi Rick, I think that this thread can be very useful for some that come to this forum. The thing is there are some people that have not come out of the church yet. Some are new to this site and maybe don't yet feel drawn to leave, others have family and friends in church that they are trying to appease by continuing to attend.
So sometimes we have to reveal the dark side in order to see/understand as a contrast.
John 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
v.5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
1Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lareli:
1 Cor 13 says you can know all the mysteries of God, which would include the truth about salvation, but if you don't have love... You are nothing.
"Come out of her" does this mean to literally and physically avoid a physical building with the word "church" on the front of it? Isn't Revelations a book of symbols and metaphors?
Isn't it possible for some to heed the call of "come out of her" physically but spiritually remain in the same religious condition?
And likewise, isn't it possible for some to spiritually "come out of her" and yet physically be in the same vicinity as a physical church building?
Like Se7en said, isn't the seat of satan in our hearts and not a physical seat in a physical building?
acomplishedartis:
--- Quote from: largeli on January 29, 2014, 03:05:29 PM ---1 Cor 13 says you can know all the mysteries of God, which would include the truth about salvation, but if you don't have love... You are nothing.
"Come out of her" does this mean to literally and physically avoid a physical building with the word "church" on the front of it? Isn't Revelations a book of symbols and metaphors?
Isn't it possible for some to heed the call of "come out of her" physically but spiritually remain in the same religious condition?
And likewise, isn't it possible for some to spiritually "come out of her" and yet physically be in the same vicinity as a physical church building?
Like Se7en said, isn't the seat of satan in our hearts and not a physical seat in a physical building?
--- End quote ---
Hi largeli
Since we are communicating through an online forum and you can't perceive the way I am talking, you should know that I am talking with you with all kindness and respect.
I am sorry but I can't merely see what's your point. Of course we are to come out of her spiritually. Actually in all this thread I haven't even mention that we should come out of the building, what I was saying is how the church institution works.
Once we have come out of her spiritually, personally, I don't see the convenience or benefit of keep going to the building, years ago it was okay for me to go, but I no longer need it, it would be like going to the kinder garden once again. I remember I came out of her first and then when I was ready; I stoped going to the building since I had better things to do. Maybe some day you will be ready.
I hope you have no hard feelings toward me for whatever I have said on this thread. I have just been merely pointing out how things are and work in church.
Here are some emails Ray responded regarding 'church'. May helps:
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http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2052.0.html
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3836.0.html
The synagogues became corrupted and the churches today are corrupted. So where do you want to go? If you want fellowship why not foin a social club and keep the false religion out of your fellowship.
Jesus taught us that we are to worship God in spirit and in truth, not in this mountain or in Jerusalem, or in a building, or another other "place" that is corrupted. I can't tell people what to do. If "christian fellowship" means more to them than "godly worship," then I guess they just have to keep looking.
Being a follower of Jesus Christ was never designed to be a "feel good religion" as many christian churches promise if you join their particular tents on living a worldly life for Jesus. I trully never miss, "CHURCH"! I "go to church" every time I open my Bible."
God be with you,
Ray
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Dear Glenda: Money, fear, and power. It's all about money, fear, and power. Take away the money, fear, and power, and much of Christendom will come crashing down. It is a damnable thing that many pastors are doing to well-meaning people who think they are following Jesus. And what is worse, many of these sincere and well-meaning people often become just like their leaders. They defend evil and heresy with every ounce of their being. It is sad. Thank GOD you have been shown the Truth!
God be with you,
Ray
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Dear Roy:
You don't need a church when you learn that YOU ARE THE CHURCH. God is wherever you are, so don't feel deserted.
God be with you,
Ray
rick:
Hi Moises,
I see now the misunderstanding is with me and not you, I apologize to you for things I said out of ignorance and should of thought it through before I posted anything. I’m not perfect by any stretch of the imagination.
I have my beliefs about the evil one known as Satan. I had things happen to me in the past that were demonic in nature , it was things I experience that brought me to God out of fear.
I could tell you things I experience but to me, that is giving glory to the Devil, and that I will not do. I will say this one thing in all I had experience and its this, I called out to Jesus and afterwards I never experience any demonic thing since .
so, I over reacted is what I did and that is to my shame no doubt. My apologizes to you Moises. :-[
peace and love to all. :)
Dave in Tenn:
Largeli, yes it is possible to no longer attend the services and still be riddled with carnal religion. Yes, it is possible to 'check off' a list of doctrinal positions and still not have love. Yes, it is possible also to judge people for supposedly having no love without understanding what love is. Read the "kiss of death" paper on the front page...it's quite short and to the point.
My 'story' is different from many others around these parts. It was "possible" for me to leave the church and go straight into the world and stay there for decades. It was "possible" for me to 'come out of her' not because I thought I was better, but because I knew I was worse.
Lots of things are "possible". You have your own row to hoe, just as each and all of the rest of us do. For me to visit a church would be much like visiting the ruins of the temples of the ancient greek gods if I found myself in Greece. But to sit week after week under that influence is not something I can do. And if I DID for long, and followed my heart in the doing, they wouldn't let me stay. That's more than fine by me. :D But I understand it is more difficult for some.
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