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Repent! The End Is Near..
Dave in Tenn:
Me too, Joel. So be it.
I've been reading back in the email section recently. For some reason when I bookmarked that section, they came up in alphabetical order. Over and over in his replies, Ray challenged his challengers to name one statement in his writings that wasn't true and present two scriptures that proved it. Try that with this article. I don't know of a single statement in it that isn't true.
You may or may not agree with his interpretation of a single prophetic verse, but I'm confident you won't find a single statement in that paper that isn't true. And like Joel, SINCE IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, I am hopeful that it will be a catalyst for righteous judgement, and ALL that is designed to achieve--in God's good time. Sooner is always better than later for good things to come. Can anybody REALLY think that Ray had no idea about how the world works and how God works in the world?
Dave in Tenn:
Watchman, I hope you're not talking about "being set free" without actually being set free...like being 'saved' without actually being saved. America and no American is going to repent without "punishment". Judgement is not "punishment for the sake of punishment" but is meant to correct us and "set us free". It WILL happen. This/that nation and no other nation or individual will escape what it takes to be "conformed into the image of His Son" and "being created in His likeness".
He scourgeth every son He receives. He'll receive us all.
Now..I reckon "punishment" can be light, and it can be heavy. It may be so light and easy that it can't really be colloquially described "punishment". It can be "spiritual" or it can be "physical" or "emotional" (maybe even intellectual and rational) to EFFECT the Spiritual.
I certainly don't feel like I've caught the boat and to heck with everybody else. The Lord isn't going to take me out of this world before my time no matter what happens. Believing in the Sovereignty of God makes one humble...and if one is not humble, then he doesn't believe.
lareli:
Nano I dig what youre saying and respect you for saying it... I feel the same way you do and agree with most of what you said. I also agree with what Ray wrote in his paper. I dont see your feelings or your points (at least not all your points) as neccesarily at odds with what Ray wrote.. Perhaps its all a matter of perpesctive. I dont read Rays paper and feel the need to be afraid of Gods wrath... I read his paper and feel a nervous anticipation that leans more towards hope and joy more so than fear of being punished..
Look, no one knows how the end of this age is going to play out or what it will look like. Will it be some gnarly catastrophic event like the flood or Sodom that killed lots of people in a single event? Or will it be so subtle to our carnal nature that we may miss it, such as Christ coming to Earth in humble circumstances while most of the religious crowd were looking for a conquering carnal King?
Are the terrible times that so many are afraid of having to live through happening now and we are too carnal to realize? Is the beast in Rev that rains down fire from the sky on all who dont bow down to him or take his mark really the US which rains down fire in the form of bombs on all nations who dont take its mark.. its mark being the petro-dollar? I dont know.
Or will the end of this age play out like so many fear? Are we all going to be rounded up in Fema camps and slaughtered? Again, I dont know.
I agree with you Nano that the US is no more special or evil than any other nation. When we all are done with these mortal bodies, I doubt we will be recognized as white/black/American/Mexican/etc. We are all just children of God behaving badly. The more that I can throw off any and every label that man has placed on me, the more I feel I can look at the world and its affairs through unbiased eyes.
The devil is running the nations by Gods will. All of them. And never before has an empires tentacles been able to reach and control as much of the rest of the world as the US has.
I dont see 9/11 as a one day event as you pointed out. I see it as still happening. And I dont see it as just a judgement or warning, or whatever you want to call it, as being just for America but for all the nations. The US has spread it tentacles all over the world. It is the lone superpower. Its the head and so an attack, judgement, warning, on the head is also and attack, judgement, warning, to the whole body. The whole carnal world that has put its trust in these little green pieces of paper called US dollars.
If you ask me I personally think the only reason the US hasnt been nuked by China or Russia is that it would destroy the US dollar, and if the US dollar (the head) falls... All the other nations (the body) economies will fall. And they will weep and mourn because once the US falls.. Who will buy the worlds merchandise?
*The following may be irrelevant to the discussion but to me it has to do with being deceived..
The US is waging 3 wars against invisible enemies. The War on cancer makes us all sicker (disease/pestilence) by proping up the pharmaceutical (pharmakeia in Greek/Witchcraft, sorcery) industry which is the 2nd most profitable industry to the US. The War on drugs isnt really a war on drugs, but a war on people who use drugs and it ensures that plenty of people keep the prisons packed. Ray mentioned the US prison population in that paper. The War on Terror enables the US to rain down fire on anyone who opposes the ideas and plans of the US to control nations with the US petro-dollar...
Interesting fact (to me anyway) concerning the war on drugs, war on cancer, and war on terror... Did you know that right before the US invaded Afghanistan, Afghanistan was producing less than %10 of the worlds opium supply? Did you know that today Afghanistan produces more than %90 of the worlds opium. The taliban didnt like Afghanistan being in the opium trade, the US invaded and took over and bam, the world is again flooded with opium. Think about that. Who benefits? Does the US parmaceutical industry/war on cancer benefit? I dont see how you can have a phamaceutical industry without opium. Does the war on drugs benefit? How can you have a war on drugs without drugs? Anyways Im rambling...
Dennis Vogel:
Some posts are getting too political which is not allowed please.
lareli:
Sorry about that Dennis..
To those who agree with what Ray wrote in the paper, has this changed how you approach each day? I dont mean externally as in doing anything different (wake up, work, pay bills, etc) but internally how you feel?
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