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bob:


Jesus, God?
« on: May 31, 2007, 10:27:28 PM »
 Ray commented on this verse saying,  "Jesus emphatically declared that no man at any time has ever seen or HEAR THE VOICE of God His Father" (John 1:18; 5:37; Matt. 11:27; John 6:46; Luke 10:22, etc., etc.)
Was he just referring to the Jews at that time or does this still apply now in our time?
Bob

John from Kentucky:

Col 1:15 is one of the major Scriptures that explain how God is.

Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God.  The Father is the invisible Force behind everything.  He is outside our five senses.  He cannot be seen or heard by us.

Jesus is His visible image.  Jesus is God.  Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.  Jesus is the only access to the invisible God.

Ian 155:
it is an interesting question

Joh 20:29  Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Joh 14:7  If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

as opposed to  Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

many thousands saw Christ according to the gospels,Jesus was crowded all the time, then Paul was introduced as well, literally this word is so big  we are puny in what we call knowledge, Ray has some stuff on his understanding of the question i think i heard it on an audio

Dennis Vogel:

--- Quote from: Ian 155 on April 28, 2014, 02:01:21 PM ---many thousands saw Christ according to the gospels,Jesus was crowded all the time, then Paul was introduced as well, literally this word is so big  we are puny in what we call knowledge, Ray has some stuff on his understanding of the question i think i heard it on an audio

--- End quote ---

As Ray pointed out: Not many became disciples:

Act 1:15  And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)

bob:
Thanks John and Ian, so would we agree that the voice heard from heaven when John Baptized Jesus was not God the father? Even though it said this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased. If so   how would we explain to someone questioning the scripture itself as being UN true, if in fact it was not God the father in that case? If the scripture is true then wouldn’t it be God the father speaking?

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