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God 'changed his mind'
lareli:
Ya Kat that is helpful. I understand what you've posted. I think it is true to say that God can and does deceive.
It's in the scriptures. It's just difficult to admit even though it's right there. Whether the outcome is good or not it still feels blasphemous to say God deceives or God is a deceiver. But it's true isn't it?
He doesn't lie. He doesn't tempt. He doesn't change His mind. He doesn't sin.
He does deceive. He does manipulate. I feel like I'm blaspheming just by writing this.
lareli:
Here's the email where Ray talks about God deceiving...
Deceive
« on: November 18, 2006, 03:44:09 PM »
In Part C of "The Myth of Free Will" did you mean to say, "Just how does God deceive mankind into thinking that their thoughts and choices free and uncaused?"
I thought you were proving that Satan is the deceiver, not God. I hope this was an error. I cannot conceive of God being a deceiver.
Betty
Dear Betty:
I really hate to answer questions such as this, because one is d......ed if he does and d.......ed if he doesn't tell the truth.
God uses messengers and His Own circumcstances to bring about deceit. Yes, the serpent "deceived" Eve, as we are clearly told that in the Scriptures. However, Who created the serpent? God. Who gave him access to the Garden? God. Who commissioned him to deceive Eve? God. Who created Eve in such way that she "thought" she had freedom of the will? God. Who commissioned "lying spirits" on several occasions to "deceive" the enemy? God. Who is it that send "strong DELUSION"? "Even him, whose comingis after theworkings of Satan with all power and sings and LYING [deceiving] wonders....And for THIS cause G-O-D SHALL SEND THEM strong delusion, that they should believe a lie" (ii tHES. 2:9 & 11).
And did not our Own Lord make the two disciples traveling to Emmaus think that He was going to continue walking on down the road when they wanted to turn in for the night, when in reality Jesus had not such intention, but wanted them to INSIST that He go with them (Luke 24:28). Etc.
But please don't tell people that "Ray said that GOD IS A DECEIVER," unless you explain it in the context in which I have explained it to you. Just for you own comfort of faith, when God did deceive or cause to be deceived in the Scriptures, HE TELLS US!
God be with you,
Ray
lareli:
So does this mean it is not a sin to deceive someone as long as it's for their good?
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: largeli on July 11, 2014, 04:00:08 PM ---So does this mean it is not a sin to deceive someone as long as it's for their good?
--- End quote ---
God kills and makes alive again. Is it a sin for you to kill? But suppose you DO kill...can you make alive again? There are many things that God is "allowed" to do that we are not. Of course, that doesn't keep many from trying.
Do you know what is "for their own good"?
Is it a sin to deceive little children about heaven and hell "for their own good"?
Well...whatever deceptions are in the world, WE are told over and over DO NOT BE DECEIVED. There is a grand purpose for "deception", and that is in no small part to be delivered from it.
That's what happened to Hezekiah. That's what happened to the two waking with Jesus on the way.
Please note that I put "allowed" in quotation marks. In truth, God requires NO PERMISSION from His creation to do with it as He sees fit. He is worthy to be praised, because after all He subjects us to, HE HIMSELF rescues us in ways both small and large once His purpose has come to pass.
lareli:
Dave
So Gods ways are, 'do as I say, not as I do' and 'the end justifies the means'.
Is this accurate?
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