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MG:
So God the Father and Jesus were both separate Spirits? Then the same Spirit who was Jesus was put into a human body? And God the Father (Spirit) was also in Jesus? Since Ray says Jesus is the Holy Spirit then is that who he was before he became human?
hillsbororiver:
Hi MG,
As Craig posted earlier in the thread read the Trinity article thoroughly and you will see the relationship between the Father & Son more clearly. Here are some highlights from the paper;
"For even if so be that there are those being termed gods, whether in heaven or on earth, even as there are many gods and many lords, nevertheless for US there is ONE God, the FATHER, out of Whom ALL IS, and we for Is Jesus Christ an equal part of this "ONE God?" NO, He is not. Let God’s Word tell us. We don’t need to speculate and theorize. Here is Who and What Jesus Christ is, He is the "one LORD." This is not hard. It is only hard for those who wrestle and twist Scripture to their own destruction (II Peter 3:16). John 8:5-6 makes the following very clear:
This Scripture tells us that "ALL IS OUT OF" GOD (the FATHER).
And this Scripture tells us that "ALL IS THROUGH" Jesus Christ.
God the Father is the first cause of all and ALL IS OUT GOD, even Jesus Christ is "OUT of God."
"...I [Jesus] came OUT from God. I CAME OUT FROM the FATHER..." (John 16:27-28).
Him, and ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST, through Whom all is, and we through Him" (I Cor. 8:5-6).
Jesus Christ is not the SUPREME DEITY. Christ is not the originator of all. Christ is "the Lord." He is the Son of God. He is the IMAGE of the invisible God. He is the Mediator,
For there is ONE God, and ONE Mediator OF God and mankind, a MAN Christ Jesus..." (I Tim. 2:5).
"Now, whenever ALL may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself [Jesus Christ] also SHALL BE SUBJECTED TO HIM [God the Father] Who subjects all to Him, that GOD may be All in all."
There is another profound statement in the Scriptures that PROVES CONCLUSIVELY that Jesus Christ is not part of a trinity, but is now and always will be, under the Headship of His Father. Here it is:
"...that the GOD OF OUR LORD Jesus Christ, the FATHER..." (Eph. 1:17).
Notice that Jesus always acknowledges His subjection to His Father:
"Jesus, being aware that the Father has GIVEN ALL INTO HIS HANDS, and that He came out FROM God and is going away TO God" (John 13:3).
"Now the Father, remaining in Me, He IS DOING HIS WORKS" (John 14:10).
"And the word which you are hearing is NOT Mine, but the Father’s Who sends me" (John 14:24).
"I am going to the Father, for THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I" (John 14:28).
"Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, THE SON HIMSELF ALSO SHALL BE SUBJECTED TO HIM Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all" (I Cor. 15:28).
These Scriptures are clear, and there are many more like this. The Father is GREATER than His Son, and the Son will ALWAYS be subjected to His Father. They are NOT two, coequal Gods of a fabled trinity. They are "Father and Son." They are "FAMILY!" And the "spirit of God" is just that, the spirit "OF" God, not "the spirit God." And Jesus Christ has this SAME SPIRIT in Himself also. And it is THIS VERY SPIRIT that God the Father gives to US through His Son, Jesus Christ. It is not difficult to understand if one will simply believe the Scriptures.
mrmjwilson:
I will return when I am worthy.
mrmjwilson:
P.S. Upon examining this thread more carefully, it reminds me of a man who tried his best to discredit Jesus with trick questions. (A married man who dies with six brothers and no child to carry on his name.) I am in no way supportive of this type of behavior, but I can also see how we all may learn from this debate.
MG:
I am sitting here in tears trying to understand who Jesus is. When I first came to bible-truths.com I got knocked off my feet to the point that I was up crying all night and feeling like I needed to throw up. I am not debating and am crushed that you think my questions are trick questions. I am trying to piece this together so I can understand it. I don't understand things the way others do. I put it together in small pieces and then put the whole together to understand.
I did not believe in the Trinity when I got here. I just didn't know what I believed. I have not been a member of a church for 15 years when God started showing me they were teaching lies. There has been no teacher and I've been walking alone. God taught me all about no free will and I am able to understand and accept the teaching of no hell. I can piece that all together.
I am having a hard time piecing together the teaching on Christ. You have judged me unfairly and I still don't understand. I will just take it to God until he shows me. God is my witness that I am not asking trick questions. Let him be my judge and my teacher.
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