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ez2u:
am reading Rays writing again and finding this particular one very disturbing "why does God love you"  it is difficult, hard press to digest this.  Am not sure why, the humbling affect does work but it grinds at the very core of my soul, that i would have to beg for His love as though am not worth anything, a piece of less than dirt. Dirt that he made is more holy because of my nature that He made. This is not to the babe's in Christ for sure. What has been your responds to this writing?

lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: ez2u on June 28, 2014, 07:56:33 AM ---am reading Rays writing again and finding this particular one very disturbing "why does God love you"  it is difficult, hard press to digest this.  Am not sure why, the humbling affect does work but it grinds at the very core of my soul, that i would have to beg for His love as though am not worth anything, a piece of less than dirt. Dirt that he made is more holy because of my nature that He made. This is not to the babe's in Christ for sure. What has been your responds to this writing?

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Its been a while since I have read the article personally but I do remember it resonating with me as true. What I think we are being shown here is that God doesn't love us while we are in our sins. He doesn't love the sinner while he is yet in his sins. God agapes the world, loves the world, because he sees what it is he is making with the world. He declared the end from the beginning, he knows the final outcome of this creation and it is something worth all his love but in this very moment, the wicked, evil, and carnal minded are not things he loves. He hates these things.

However, those that the Lord is calling out now, trying and refining through the fire of His judgement, them He loves in a way that I think once God becomes all in all, the world will know as well. A way that is so much deeper, like a father loves a son or daughter.

I hope i have the right article in mind here. Let me know if this isn't the one you were talking about!

God bless,
Alex

ez2u:
yes that is  the article which am studying right now  going further down i read this that you said. it was a hard word for me at first thank you Alex
 

lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: ez2u on June 28, 2014, 06:35:41 PM ---yes that is  the article which am studying right now  going further down i read this that you said. it was a hard word for me at first thank you Alex

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Yea, I definitely agree, its a tough one to swallow. We go from undoing what the church has taught us, that God is going to burn for all eternity, humanity, and then we embrace that God is actually loving and above the ways of man. Now ray expounds on this subject by showing us its not so black and white though. There are things God hates! Its a bit of a shocker almost.  We have to face this apparent paradox that we find ourselves in because God does tell us He hated esau but loves jacob. Now I think ray emphasizes, and for good reason, that God's hate is not the same as when a person hates. God is justified in His disdain for certain behaviors and persons but often times, we as humans, when we hate, we are malicious in our hatred and without justification. It is selfishness that drives our hatred while with God, we know that His dislike and hatred for sin is not for His own personal gain, but rather for our sake, that we may gain Christ and the kingdom.

I think if you can detach yourself from understanding certain qualities of God(as they described in the scriptures) by ascribing them to human qualities then it becomes more clear what is being taught and what God is exclaiming to us about Himself.

So God's hate for things is not the same as man's hatred in the same way that the power of God is far different than that of man's.

I think if you get all the way through it though, it really comes together in a meaningful way that really harmonizes with everything we've been learning about our Father through His Word. I don't think ray has lead us astray on this matter but try every spirit and search every matter out in the Word to see if these things are true. Even ray's writtings!

God bless,
Alex

Dave in Tenn:
1Co 1:23  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Co 1:24  But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1Co 1:25  Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

The "foolishness" of God is wiser than men.  The "weakness" of God is stronger than men.  Is it a stretch to say the Love of God is greater than men?

And what about the "hate"?  Given all the rest of Scripture and our faith in what God has done and will do "to" the world of sinners, is this not also part of His strength and wisdom?

After some thought and soul-searching, I come to this conclusion in line with the scripture above:  God's "hate" is better than my love.  He did leave His glory behind, humble himself and was obedient even to the death of the cross for sinners...I would in no way do that, and in addition can barely muster anything resembling a deep love for complete strangers.   

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