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Dave in Tenn:
You'd have to ask Ray. But I believe the US collectively is part of the great religious world order. No study of our history can lead anybody to a different conclusion, imo. From the settlement, to the founding, to the Great Awakening, the Civil War, the Gilded Age, on to the present. If you want to call that 'babylon', I don't think you'd be wrong. But its not the first one, and it well may not be the last one.
Beyond that, don't ask me to discuss 'end-times'. Christianity ruined any 'enjoyment' I get out of those. The times have been 'ending' since Jesus Christ walked the earth as a man. I'm looking less for an end then for a new beginning. These may not be so clearly marked until after we've lived them.
Of course, I could be wrong. I'M not even here to discuss my thoughts.
lareli:
Sorry if I gave that impression Dave. I'm not asking you to discuss end times though. For me this discussion has been about the 'come out of her' that everyone invokes whenever someone mentions 'church'.. I'm trying to discuss what exactly the 'her' is in that reference..
Dave in Tenn:
Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Babylon the great is fallen.
ALL NATIONS have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Can all nations come out of THEMSELVES? Whose fornication? HERS! Who is SHE? Babylon the great. SHE is not THEY.
Come out of what? ALL NATIONS? No. Come out of HER.
Joh_17:15 I (Jesus) pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Better?
John from Kentucky:
Jesus is not a Christian, neither am I.
Which is why I do not attend Christian churches.
Easy peasy.
In Revelations, Jesus just walked among the seven candlesticks (churches); His throne was not there.
lareli:
All good Dave... You answered my question with your previous post, reply #65.. In my subsequent reply (reply #66) I wasn't necessarily asking for more clarification. When I read your reply (#65 'don't ask me to discuss end times') I thought maybe I had irritated you by touching on the 'end-times' verse. My reply #66 was just trying to apologize for making it seem like an 'end-times' question and trying to show that it was a 'who is she' question... All tying into the topic of the thread which is attending church... I was pointing out that Ray said prophecy is often dual and I was showing where Ray compared the US and 9/11 to the verse in Rev that references the 'her'.
Everyone reads the 'come out of her' and says the her is the Christian church... That's what Ray showed in his papers and, yes, I see and believe that.. But he also compared or suggested in the towers paper that the 'her' could also relate to the US.
Like I said you answered my question with your reply #65.. I totally appreciate your following reply also though and those verses in 1 corinthians spoke to me.. I actually was reading those verses last week with this very thread/topic in mind, so it is somewhat confirming to me that you posted them.. Thank you!
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