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John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: largeli on October 16, 2014, 01:12:04 PM ---Hi bob
I don't know if your last post was in response to my post but if it was then I think you misunderstood my comments. Or maybe I am misunderstanding yours.
I was not referring to proselytizing. I was responding to posts by JFK and Nathan which give very impressive, clever and convenient human arguments for why they're not "Christians".
I was noting the fact that the human reasoning behind they're arguments would allow them to claim that they're not "Christians" in the event of a "Christian" holocaust.
--- End quote ---
Unlike some people (who out of politeness I won't name) I can provide two scriptures (witnesses) for all my beliefs.
The two Scriptures below came from Ray's "Lake of Fire" group of articles, which would be a good thing for some to read.
In Revelations 1:13, Jesus just walks among the seven lamp stands, the church. He does not rule this church or live with them.
On the other hand, in Revelations 2:13, we find that Satan not only dwells in the church, but his throne is there, he rules the church.
I am not a Christian because I am not a member of the church ruled by Satan.
Also, Jesus said that the many would be deceived. Jesus said His true Church would be only a very few in this age.
So, that is why I am not a Christian, very simple. Also, I do not fear a holocaust, or disease epidemic, or falling sycamore tree ( ;D ) or numerous other things that the simple minded fear.
Jesus is my shield and protector. I fear nothing. He that is for me is greater than anything against me.
indianabob:
Hi Largeli,
Maybe there is a miscommunication of sorts. Let me try to open up my thoughts a little.
When Hitler went after the Jews of Germany they were easy targets to identify and could not even flee the coming threat if they were aware of it.
Christians of Europe and America who attend church and wear silver crosses and keep religious tracts in their homes are in a similar situation. They are marked, so to speak, for their outward religious affiliations and invitation to the public at large to become members.
We on the other hand are not marked by our public efforts to seek new members and financial support for our cause and are therefore not noticed as a threat to those who hate God.
I do not believe that God expects the called out and elect believers to form a denomination and publicly demonstrate against secular sins or government interference in this day and age the way many christian church groups do.
If there were a government sponsored search for true believers in this nation how would they find the thousands of true believers who study and read informative web sites like this one and choose to mind their own business by living as an example among their neighbors and working diligently to obey God in their own personal lives.
They are growing in grace and knowledge and that is enough. Their "work" is for God to do a work in them, which is happening in their daily lives.
I suppose that my basic premise is that God does not need for us to expose and teach our sincere beliefs to others for their approval and acceptance so much as God desires for us to recognize how much we need God in our lives and to seek to live for God and submit to God in our daily lives.
God can call others to see and believe when God is ready for them to respond. God can open their minds in an instant.
In a manner of speaking then we are in training for a future work of God in the world and not expected to begin that work before we are fully prepared in this life.
If we are chosen; then it may be chosen to learn as diligent students among ourselves and not to graduate to become teachers before we are fully prepared.
Not to "excessively" advertise our sacred knowledge and beliefs in order to encourage other to join with us, but rather to keep or hold these pearls of understanding with care and love and not to cast them before swine to be trampled under foot.
"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6).
So then, I'm not hiding from the general public the pearls I've been given out of fear of persecution, not entirely anyway, but I'm also not seeking martyrdom either.
Hope this will add light and some understanding to my previous comments.
Indiana Bob
Nathan:
--- Quote ---I don't know if your last post was in response to my post but if it was then I think you misunderstood my comments. Or maybe I am misunderstanding yours.
I was not referring to proselytizing. I was responding to posts by JFK and Nathan which give very impressive, clever and convenient human arguments for why they're not "Christians".
I was noting the fact that the human reasoning behind they're arguments would allow them to claim that they're not "Christians" in the event of a "Christian" holocaust.
--- End quote ---
Give two witnesses as to why you call yourself a Christian.
I'm going through the fire now - I could care less about physically dying or being rounded up in a FEMA camp. It's strange that you think that because I don't refer to myself as a "Christian" that I'm doing so to avoid a potential "Christian holocaust". Your fear is palpable.
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--- Quote from: Nathan on October 16, 2014, 08:05:10 PM ---
--- Quote ---I don't know if your last post was in response to my post but if it was then I think you misunderstood my comments. Or maybe I am misunderstanding yours.
I was not referring to proselytizing. I was responding to posts by JFK and Nathan which give very impressive, clever and convenient human arguments for why they're not "Christians".
I was noting the fact that the human reasoning behind they're arguments would allow them to claim that they're not "Christians" in the event of a "Christian" holocaust.
--- End quote ---
Give two witnesses as to why you call yourself a Christian.
I'm going through the fire now - I could care less about physically dying or being rounded up in a FEMA camp. It's strange that you think that because I don't refer to myself as a "Christian" that I'm doing so to avoid a potential "Christian holocaust". Your fear is palpable.
--- End quote ---
I live in Christ and Christ lives in me.
Joh_6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
I obey Christ. If I live in Kentucky I obey its laws.
If I live in Kentucky, I am a Kentuckian.
If I live in Christ I am a Christian. No more comments from me on this thread.
lareli:
A Christian is someone who's god is Christ. A Christian is someone who is of Christ. A Christian is one who follows the teachings of Christ.
You guys are very fond of the term The Great False Church, which by the way, is not found in scripture. Ok so if there's a Great False Church then its members are false Christians. Just like a wolf in sheep's clothing is a false sheep. But the real sheep are still sheep. They don't go around claiming that they are no longer sheep just because the wolves have hi-jacked their name and identity. Just like the real Christians (those who are of Christ) are still Christians.
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