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The Enigma: Jesus Christ our Master and our God
cheekie3:
All -
The Holy Scriptures declare that:
1. Jesus is the Son of God, the Son of Man and God.
2. Jesus is the image of our Almighty Father.
3. Jesus came out of The Father.
4. Jesus emptied Himself of some of His Glory; so He could die.
5. The Wisdom of The Father had to be birthed.
6. Jesus is The Wisdom of God.
7. The Principle Thing is Wisdom.
8. In Wisdom God created the Heavens and the Earth.
9. Jesus is an extension of The Father.
10. The Father cannot die.
11. Jesus did really die as a man.
12. The Father resurrected Jesus from the dead.
If all the above are Absolute Truths, can we conclude that the Enigma of Jesus Christ (our Master and our God) can be stated as follows:
A. The Lord God is One.
B. There is One God - The Father and The Son.
C. All is from The Father and through The Son.
In summary:
Jesus is God (unified with His Father; and working together at all times to fulfil "the Father's Creation Plan of the Ages"), and always does His Father's Will.
Regards, George.
Rene:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on July 24, 2014, 01:11:15 AM ---
6. Jesus is The Wisdom of God.
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Hi George,
At a bible study in 2008, I asked Ray if Jesus was Wisdom? Here is his reply to my question:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,10538.0.html Time and Eternity Bible Study Nov. 2008
[Comment from attendee: Is wisdom Jesus? He is the first fruit, He is the beginning.] "No, it’s got to be more than that, because God birthed ‘it’ and the it has to do with ability and cleverness and all of those, if you look up the definition of wisdom.
It means more than just bringing into being some other being that possesses these qualities. Because, quite frankly, if Jesus Christ is the Son of God, then when did He become the Son of God? Well you will say, ‘when He was born.’ No, He was called the Son before that. So how then, was wisdom necessary to make a Son? Well where did He come up with the idea of a Son anyway? Where did He come up with the idea of a family? Well He did, because we are here and we have family relationship and so on. Where did He come up with that? Did mothers and fathers and children and aunts and uncles and cousins did they exist before the creation of the heavens? No. Well then God came up with that."
René
lilitalienboi16:
This is going to sound weird but..
I see The Father as the projector (an invisible projector), and Jesus the Image on the screen that we can see.
Its weird because essentially I am saying that the projector and its light are God... lol? But i think the metaphor makes sense? Maybe I'm wrong :<
Duane:
I disagree with the second section:
"jesus is God"
Jesus is the SON of God.
Jesus should be reverences AS God
But:
"There is ONE God and ONE mediator between God and man; the man Christ Jesus".
This makes a clear distinction between God the Father and Jesus, His BEGOTTEN Son.
The verse doesn't say:
"There is one God and One mediator between God and man, and they are both "one in the same".
Just like Ray debunking the trinity:
Jesus didn't say: "I and the father and the holy spirit are one." In leaving out the "person" of the holy spirit, wouldn't that be quite a slight?
Also, never ONCE in all of St. Paul's introductions and benedictions is the holy spirit mentioned as a person. I checked them all.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Duane on July 24, 2014, 11:37:42 PM ---I disagree with the second section:
"jesus is God"
Jesus is the SON of God.
Jesus should be reverences AS God
But:
"There is ONE God and ONE mediator between God and man; the man Christ Jesus".
This makes a clear distinction between God the Father and Jesus, His BEGOTTEN Son.
The verse doesn't say:
"There is one God and One mediator between God and man, and they are both "one in the same".
Just like Ray debunking the trinity:
Jesus didn't say: "I and the father and the holy spirit are one." In leaving out the "person" of the holy spirit, wouldn't that be quite a slight?
Also, never ONCE in all of St. Paul's introductions and benedictions is the holy spirit mentioned as a person. I checked them all.
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Duane,
I'm not understanding your post. Are you saying that Jesus is not God but that he should be revered as God?
I find contention with this thought if it is what you are saying.
God calls His Son, God.
"Yet to the Son [this is GOD speaking]: ‘Thy throne, O GOD, is for the eon of the eon..." (Heb. 1: 8).
Thomas the apostle called Jesus "My Lord AND my God." Christ didn't correct him for it.
We also have;
Philippians 2:5-8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
Lastly; John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
I'm terribly sorry if I misunderstood you duane but it just sounded to me like you were contesting that Jesus is God.
God bless,
Alex
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