lilitalianboy:
Jesus said on the cross: My God, My God! Why hast Thou forsaken Me?
As Ray said: "Jesus has/had a God.
Jesus didn't say: "Myself, Myself! Why have I forsaken Me?
God did nothing of Himself--He did ALL creation THRU His Son, Jesus; that Jesus get ALL the praise and credit for it.
Jesus was to be revered AS God so He did not correct the person you mentioned.
Jesus is EQUAL to God, as you quoted the scripture and that is what God intended.
However, there is ONE GOD and ANOTHER that is mediator between God and man--Jesus!
Now the holy spirit is even MORE complicated because this GIFT represents the SPIRIT of Jesus, passed down at birth, from God. Even GOD needs a spirit to live---this spirit is HOLY--thus the HOLY SPIRIT that indwells the believer.
Ray has an excellent article on this--or I wouldn't have known it (or almost everything else I know!)
Hi Duane,
Greetings!
There will always be a confusion among us believers if there are missing point/s in the Scripture. But no,
Ray said that you have to pay attention to all the words.Always and always and always believers are confusing Jesus the man and Jesus the God and Jesus as God and man.
Before Jesus becomes a man,
He is the YHWH / I AM / Jehovah /Yahweh in the old testament.
God birthed the YHWH. We don't know how God formed YHWH in the bible but surely this YHWH comes out from God. When YHWH comes out from God this becomes Father and Son. The Father and Son are both God and they are ONE. They are one because Son comes out from the Father.
The YHWH that comes out from God made all things
(Not yet Jesus as a man). Without him was not any thing made that was made. YHWH is the spokesman of God and he is the one speaking. This YHWH is the Word of God. The Word is with God in the beginning
YHWH which is the Word came unto his own. the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. This
Word was named Jesus when he was born by the virgin.
God was manifest in the flesh.When
YHWH which is the Word which is Jesus had a God the moment he was made flesh. Now Jesus become a man. This man Jesus when he was born and died and resurrected and glorified will be still a man,
because of him still a man he had a God and Father. This Jesus is God and a man forever....
Can anybody give witnesses that when Jesus is still a YHWH that he called his Father his God. Well, what i see in the Scriptures in OT that he always said that there is no God besides him and he is alone the God. .
Again, there are a lot of witnesses that when YHWH becomes Jesus in the flesh and becomes a man that he had a God.Why is it that so many of us believers don't believe then? I don't know.
Witness!
Psa 2:7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou
art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the
only begotten Son(the only begotten God) , which is in the bosom of the Father,
he hath declared him.
Jhn 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was God.
Jhn 1:
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Col 1:16-
17For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:
all things were created by him, and for him:And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Rev 4:11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for
thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
1Ti 3:16"........
God was manifest in the flesh........"
Luk 1:31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt
call his name JESUS.
Isa 41:4Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last;
I am he.
Exo 3:14And
God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Jhn 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am.
Gal 4:4But when the fulness of the time was come,
God sent forth his Son, made of a woman,
made under the law,
Psalm 22. I was thrust into your arms at my birth.
You have been my God from the moment I was born.Jer 32:27Behold,
I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?
Rev 1:6And hath made us kings and priests
unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen
Rev 3:12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of
my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of
my God, and the name of the city of
my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from
my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Luke 24:39Behold
my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Act 2:31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell,
neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 17:31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness
by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus;
As for those people believe that Jesus is a created being, they are using this 2 verses;Rev 3:14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the
beginning of the creation of God;
Col 1:15Who is the image of the invisible God, the
firstborn of every creature:
Once again, i will borrow Ray's word............
"Pay attention to the words".