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zander:
HI,
I rarely post here and often found myself having to re-register because I don't log in for ages. I came back again because I have some questions I wonder whether anyone could answer for me.
Don't worry if you cannot but if you can, please do.
1. When the resurrection happens, are the dead raised as physical bodies or spiritual bodies?
2. When it occurs, what happens to the people already here on earth alive?
3. When Jesus comes back it says "like a thief in the night". Now despite Ray's efforts to once explain this, I never quite understood it. A thief in the night to me means - unexpected and unnoticed. Can someone explain?
4. I am sure ghosts are mentioned in the bible. What are they (i know they're not dead people)?
Thanks
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: zander on September 26, 2014, 10:44:56 AM ---HI,
I rarely post here and often found myself having to re-register because I don't log in for ages. I came back again because I have some questions I wonder whether anyone could answer for me.
Don't worry if you cannot but if you can, please do.
1. When the resurrection happens, are the dead raised as physical bodies or spiritual bodies?
2. When it occurs, what happens to the people already here on earth alive?
3. When Jesus comes back it says "like a thief in the night". Now despite Ray's efforts to once explain this, I never quite understood it. A thief in the night to me means - unexpected and unnoticed. Can someone explain?
4. I am sure ghosts are mentioned in the bible. What are they (i know they're not dead people)?
Thanks
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Hitler will not be raised with a glorified spiritual body like Christ. Those that die and do not overcome, who must undergo judgement through the lake of fire, will be raised to physical bodies. At least that is my understanding and it makes sense, especially when you consider the likes of hitler.
Those that are Christ's when He returns, will be caught up in the air to meet Him. These are the elect, the overcomers, the same who would be raised with spiritual bodies at the resurrection to Judge the world. They will help usher in the reign of Christ and ultimately, "the end" when Christ will turn over His Kingdom to the Father and God will become All in All.
I think your question to three, is self explanatory. When Christ comes, no one will have expected it. The world will be caught completely and absolutely off guard. The rest of us, those that are called and chosen, strive everyday to be as prepared as possible full well knowing that none of us can predict the day or time of when He will return. We just strive to get closer to God and to know Him better. If He comes during our short lifetimes, then at least we have confidence in Him and not be completely ashamed of our conduct because we were always striving to prepare as best as He empowers us to do so.
I don't know if "ghosts" per say are mentioned in the bible, but we do hear talks of spirit, evil spirits, and messengers etc... It is also entirely possible that because God can relay His message to us in many forms, a burning bush, "a voice", a man who can be wrestled with, etc... that He can also appear as a "ghost" or send spirits that would be perceived as such.
This is my understanding of these things, feel free to agree or disagree. I try and keep it scriptural but I am by no means the final authority on all things God. Just a very human guy falling flat on his face daily due to my shortcomings.
God bless,
Alex
lareli:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on September 26, 2014, 01:47:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: zander on September 26, 2014, 10:44:56 AM ---HI,
I rarely post here and often found myself having to re-register because I don't log in for ages. I came back again because I have some questions I wonder whether anyone could answer for me.
Don't worry if you cannot but if you can, please do.
1. When the resurrection happens, are the dead raised as physical bodies or spiritual bodies?
2. When it occurs, what happens to the people already here on earth alive?
3. When Jesus comes back it says "like a thief in the night". Now despite Ray's efforts to once explain this, I never quite understood it. A thief in the night to me means - unexpected and unnoticed. Can someone explain?
4. I am sure ghosts are mentioned in the bible. What are they (i know they're not dead people)?
Thanks
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I think your question to three, is self explanatory. When Christ comes, no one will have expected it. The world will be caught completely and absolutely off guard. The rest of us, those that are called and chosen, strive everyday to be as prepared as possible full well knowing that none of us can predict the day or time of when He will return.
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#3 Alex when you say "no one" are you including the elect? Do you think they will be caught completely off guard? Not talking about knowing the day or hour.
Reason I'm asking is because of the scriptures that say there will be such terrible destruction and tribulation leading up to His return that had those days not been cut short then no flesh would survive but for the elects sake those days will be shortened. Isn't this describing a near wiping out of all humanity? A near extinction?
Also the scriptures warn the elect to not be caught off guard like the foolish virgins etc.
zander:
Thanks for the contribution Alex.
I thought we were judged as spiritual beings. I swear Ray once said something like: When I die, I will never see my body again and thank God for that"
Secondly, I thought the "caught up in the air with Christ" thing was a church teaching.
Thirdly, I understand the unexpectedness of Christ's arrival, however you missed the second part. To me, a thief in the night is unnoticed. He comes and he goes and I do not notice him. I am struggling to comprehend the "thief in the night" if that is the case.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: largeli on September 26, 2014, 02:34:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on September 26, 2014, 01:47:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: zander on September 26, 2014, 10:44:56 AM ---HI,
I rarely post here and often found myself having to re-register because I don't log in for ages. I came back again because I have some questions I wonder whether anyone could answer for me.
Don't worry if you cannot but if you can, please do.
1. When the resurrection happens, are the dead raised as physical bodies or spiritual bodies?
2. When it occurs, what happens to the people already here on earth alive?
3. When Jesus comes back it says "like a thief in the night". Now despite Ray's efforts to once explain this, I never quite understood it. A thief in the night to me means - unexpected and unnoticed. Can someone explain?
4. I am sure ghosts are mentioned in the bible. What are they (i know they're not dead people)?
Thanks
--- End quote ---
I think your question to three, is self explanatory. When Christ comes, no one will have expected it. The world will be caught completely and absolutely off guard. The rest of us, those that are called and chosen, strive everyday to be as prepared as possible full well knowing that none of us can predict the day or time of when He will return.
--- End quote ---
#3 Alex when you say "no one" are you including the elect? Do you think they will be caught completely off guard? Not talking about knowing the day or hour.
Reason I'm asking is because of the scriptures that say there will be such terrible destruction and tribulation leading up to His return that had those days not been cut short then no flesh would survive but for the elects sake those days will be shortened. Isn't this describing a near wiping out of all humanity? A near extinction?
Also the scriptures warn the elect to not be caught off guard like the foolish virgins etc.
--- End quote ---
Hello Largeli,
I don't know specifically if the elect will be caught off guard. I don't think they will be caught off guard in the sense that they will always be vigilantly preparing for the arrival of the Lord, each day, because we are told we don't know the hour or time so we should always be preparing. That being said, I think you speak too absolutely on things that could easily be interpreted from a spiritual perspective. Christ said not even He knows the hour of His return
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
so in that sense, I don't think tribulations will be making it any more obvious even to the elect. Maybe... Again, I'm not 100% sure on these things. We know that revelations is spiritual and that it is happening inside of us now, Christ has come now to us and is making His home in us. The trials and tribulations we endure, each one, brings us closer to Him.
I find it interesting though that Christ mentions Daniel and His prophecy in speaking of the "end times" and specifically declares, "let him who has understanding..."
Mark 13:14 "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:"
Its interesting that there are specific instructions to "flee to the mountains" though I suppose this could be entirely spiritual too... Unfortunately I don't recall what the mountains signify spiritually and what fleeing to them might mean.
I think these prophecies have many layers of meaning and can be very hard to understanding. Someone more learned is perhaps in a better position to speak of them than myself. I only understand what ray has expounded upon, I never went further with these things and ray never really shed much light on Daniel and his prophecies, at least not that I currently can remember.
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