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Kat:
Hi Alex,
Php 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
v. 2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation!
v. 3 For we ARE the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,
Php 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ:
v. 7 even as it is right for me to be thus minded on behalf of you all, because I have you in my heart, inasmuch as, both in my bonds and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all ARE partakers with me of grace.
Paul sounds very confident here to me... he knew the Spirit was working in him and I'm sure he knew how to discern the fruit of the Spirit in others as well. Do you really think those at Pentecost questioned if they had the Spirit indwelling?
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
v. 7 So that thou art no longer a bondservant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.
The thing is the Apostles seem so much higher spiritually than anybody else could be... but I believe all elect will also reach a equal 'spiritual' level as even the Apostles and that can only come from the Spirit working within. That Spirit is a gift of course, we cannot earn it and we certainly do not deserve it, but if it is given to us, then by it there will be fruit of the Spirit. The Spirit in the elect is not idle, it works in and through them to prepare them and do good works.
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
v. 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
v. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
So a person that is chosen is going to do good works and through these things they are prepared. And they will grow in knowledge, by much study, meditation and pray... but it's by the Spirit working/growing in them that inspires them. I believe that is the way with all elect, from the Apostles to now, no short cuts. That's why Paul scolded the brethren for not making progress.
Heb 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
v. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
v. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
But not all who start and embrace this truth are chosen elect, remember the parable of the sower and the seed. But I believe it can be a valid hope in us.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
Read the parables of Jesus concerning the Kingdom. ALL of them are about the "called and the chosen" in some measure or way. Judge yourself where you are in them, and you can have confidence that you are 'chosen', if you are. It's that simple, but not really 'simple' at all--because first you have to understand them, then you have to 'obey' them (and you can do this, even if you don't know that you are). Do that all the days of your life.
OBEY the Gospel, and you can have confidence. DO the will of God.
http://bible-truths.com/audio/M05%20GospelOfTheKingdom_p1.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/M05%20GospelOfTheKingdom_p2.mp3
lareli:
--- Quote from: indianabob on October 17, 2014, 03:40:40 AM ---
I think we all realize that there have been called out and chosen believers in every generation for at least the past 2000 years since Jesus' ascension. Although as you say we don't have a full definition of who they are.
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MLK Jr, Ghandi, John Lenin, George Harrison, Leo Tolstoy, Bob Marley, Malcolm X... Perhaps.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Kat on October 17, 2014, 06:28:58 PM ---Hi Alex,
Php 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
v. 2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation!
v. 3 For we ARE the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,
Php 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ:
v. 7 even as it is right for me to be thus minded on behalf of you all, because I have you in my heart, inasmuch as, both in my bonds and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all ARE partakers with me of grace.
Paul sounds very confident here to me... he knew the Spirit was working in him and I'm sure he knew how to discern the fruit of the Spirit in others as well. Do you really think those at Pentecost questioned if they had the Spirit indwelling?
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
v. 7 So that thou art no longer a bondservant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.
The thing is the Apostles seem so much higher spiritually than anybody else could be... but I believe all elect will also reach a equal 'spiritual' level as even the Apostles and that can only come from the Spirit working within. That Spirit is a gift of course, we cannot earn it and we certainly do not deserve it, but if it is given to us, then by it there will be fruit of the Spirit. The Spirit in the elect is not idle, it works in and through them to prepare them and do good works.
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
v. 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
v. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
So a person that is chosen is going to do good works and through these things they are prepared. And they will grow in knowledge, by much study, meditation and pray... but it's by the Spirit working/growing in them that inspires them. I believe that is the way with all elect, from the Apostles to now, no short cuts. That's why Paul scolded the brethren for not making progress.
Heb 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
v. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
v. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
But not all who start and embrace this truth are chosen elect, remember the parable of the sower and the seed. But I believe it can be a valid hope in us.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hello Kat,
Thank you for the thorough response. I do believe, and have believed, that we are chosen of God. What I am hesitant to say is that I am the elect or that anyone here is the elect. That over there they are. Go see them there! I feel that if we go that far then we fool ourselves into thinking that we have won the race and then we stand to lose our place in it due to complacency or pride. I know God has called me out and chosen me but I won't go so far as to say I am an elect. There is still a great deal of work to be done in this temple of God and still an old man that must die daily. Work in progress... I am confident though that Christ will finish this work that He has began. :)
Ricky:
Is God choosing His elect now, as we go along day by day in life. Or did He chose His elect before He created life for humans.
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