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rick:
Hello Theophilus,

So when your tax bill is due, can you say to someone go down to the lake and the first fish you catch will have two coins in its mouth ?


Respectfully submitted.

Kat:

Hi theophilus,

Luke 2:52  And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.

Heb 5:8  though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.
v. 9  And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

Heb 2:9  But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
v. 10  For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
v. 11  For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,
v. 12  saying: "I will declare Your name to My brethren; in the assembly I will sing praise to You."
v. 13  And again: "I will put My trust in Him." And again: "Here am I and the children whom God has given Me."
v. 14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
v. 15  and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
v. 16  For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham.
v. 17  Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
v. 18  For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

Hope that is helpful in explaining what He accomplished by coming in the flesh.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

indianabob:
Hi folks,
Based upon some of the statements in previous letters I have this understanding.
That God cannot know exactly what it is like to be us unless he lives exactly as we do or did. That God cannot know what it feels like to be tempted unless and until God became flesh and was himself tempted in like manner . I don't agree.

When a man makes a clock from scratch and knows how it is supposed to function we presume that the inventor knows how and why it functions as it does.

When God forms the body, the brain and the operating program of a human being then God knows exactly what feelings and what level of pain and fear or joy and any other emotion the human body and mind can experience. God is not limited to God's own personal experiences in order to empathize with our experiences. We could not have had any of our experiences if they were not already programmed into our menu of possible experiences or emotions.

God didn't purchase our functional system off of the shelf and then need to learn how it functions and how we are affected by it. God knows because he created us, every bit of us including our feelings.

If anyone wishes I would like to further explore this facet of the discussion.

Indiana Bob

lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: indianabob on November 30, 2014, 05:58:43 PM ---Hi folks,
Based upon some of the statements in previous letters I have this understanding.
That God cannot know exactly what it is like to be us unless he lives exactly as we do or did. That God cannot know what it feels like to be tempted unless and until God became flesh and was himself tempted in like manner . I don't agree.

When a man makes a clock from scratch and knows how it is supposed to function we presume that the inventor knows how and why it functions as it does.

When God forms the body, the brain and the operating program of a human being then God knows exactly what feelings and what level of pain and fear or joy and any other emotion the human body and mind can experience. God is not limited to God's own personal experiences in order to empathize with our experiences. We could not have had any of our experiences if they were not already programmed into our menu of possible experiences or emotions.

God didn't purchase our functional system off of the shelf and then need to learn how it functions and how we are affected by it. God knows because he created us, every bit of us including our feelings.

If anyone wishes I would like to further explore this facet of the discussion.

Indiana Bob

--- End quote ---

Bob,

I think you miss a major part of what Paul is saying:

Heb 2:17  Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18  For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

Its one thing to know what temptation is, its an entirely different thing to experience it as flesh and blood, and to not only experience it in this form (human), but to overcome it without ever sinning.

In being able to relate He can faithfully make our case before God because He experienced it too. He experienced what its like to have the body and all its pulls act upon Him. He experienced what its like to be frail: a body that gets sick, gets cold, gets hungry. He also experienced fear, joy, sadness, love, through the eyes of a human. Through the human body. That is a vastly different experience than experiencing fear, joy, sadness, anger, etc.. as God.

I don't think we are saying God doesn't know how we work or are affected but rather that through experiencing what He already knew puts Him far above any God--A place truly worthy to be called the Son of God, Son of Man, the one who FAITHFULLY (who can relate in every way to us) makes our case before God.

Heb 4:15  For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

God bless,
Alex

indianabob:
Hi Alex, well said and helpful.
However, I think we are approaching the subject from different directions.
God is eternal or has no beginning or however we are supposed to understand that God is "uncreated".
God the creator is omniscient and does not NEED to experience life as a human in order to understand even the minutest detail of the human existence. God already knew all things about humans when God created Adam and Eve. God didn't learn more during Jesus earthly life.
Jesus the man on the other hand did have to learn from the things he suffered. The story of Jesus life and  suffering is for our learning and to convince us by a true story that God does truly understand. But it is our limitations that make the story necessary rather than God's lack of absolute, detailed grasp of every feeling a human can have.

That view in and of itself does not limit Jesus' appointed authority or power or the efficacy of his sacrifice.

Perhaps we could begin again with those thoughts in mind.

Thank you for your thoughs, Indiana Bob

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