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indianabob:
Hi Kat,
Thanks for the detailed explanation, much appreciated.
An additional question then concerning the life and work of the 12 apostles when they are resurrected.
Please explain the time frame for the following prophesy to come to pass...
Will there not be a time when the 12 will be resurrected to mortal life and learn righteousness?
Since Christ and those of his body will be spirit, won't there be physical leaders, also representing Christ, living, breathing in the society around Jerusalem?
Are you dismissing the scriptures below as not applying to the future Kingdom of God on the earth?
Just curious, Thanks for your help, Indiana Bob
= = =
Matt 19:28 -->…27 Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?" 28 And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29"And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.…
Luke 22:30
so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on December 05, 2014, 09:35:09 AM ---Kat and John,
Ray mentions in "How we got the bible" that Job might have been a pharoe. Yet you both are saying Job is nothing more than a parable and therefor not literal? Do you both believe then that Job never really literally existed as taught by the scriptures?
What about "that which is first is not spiritual but natural" and "all these things happened unto them for our esample?"
Couldnt job literally have existed and exeperiencdd whhat he did yet also his story be a parable with great spiritual significance?
--- End quote ---
Alex,
I had an emotional response to Kat's statement. Her statement agreed exactly with my previous meditations on the Book of Job. It is a lonely way we walk. I got all giddy when someone had the same thoughts as myself on the Scriptures.
I didn't want to discuss this insight before, nor do I want to discuss now, because of the no teaching rule on the Forum. What do I know? I'm an accountant.
Also, this issue seems to concern you somewhat. I don't want to turn you from your own beliefs. Jesus is working with His jewels on an individual basis. Everyone is at different stages of understanding.
Besides, I am not absolutely certain that it is a parable. I believe that it is. But I recognize the possibility it could be literal.
However, the most important thing is not whether the Book of Job is literal or a parable.
The most important things are the spiritual truths that this book teaches. The Book of Job teaches Great spiritual truths, real big, fundamental truths. That is the importance of the book.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on December 05, 2014, 11:58:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on December 05, 2014, 09:35:09 AM ---Kat and John,
Ray mentions in "How we got the bible" that Job might have been a pharoe. Yet you both are saying Job is nothing more than a parable and therefor not literal? Do you both believe then that Job never really literally existed as taught by the scriptures?
What about "that which is first is not spiritual but natural" and "all these things happened unto them for our esample?"
Couldnt job literally have existed and exeperiencdd whhat he did yet also his story be a parable with great spiritual significance?
--- End quote ---
Alex,
I had an emotional response to Kat's statement. Her statement agreed exactly with my previous meditations on the Book of Job. It is a lonely way we walk. I got all giddy when someone had the same thoughts as myself on the Scriptures.
I didn't want to discuss this insight before, nor do I want to discuss now, because of the no teaching rule on the Forum. What do I know? I'm an accountant.
Also, this issue seems to concern you somewhat. I don't want to turn you from your own beliefs. Jesus is working with His jewels on an individual basis. Everyone is at different stages of understanding.
Besides, I am not absolutely certain that it is a parable. I believe that it is. But I recognize the possibility it could be literal.
However, the most important thing is not whether the Book of Job is literal or a parable.
The most important things are the spiritual truths that this book teaches. The Book of Job teaches Great spiritual truths, real big, fundamental truths. That is the importance of the book.
--- End quote ---
Cool. Thank you for the honesty John. I agree completely that it is the spiritual truths that are of greatest importance in our walk.
I agree with all of it!
God bless,
Alex
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: indianabob on December 05, 2014, 11:58:12 AM ---Hi Kat,
Thanks for the detailed explanation, much appreciated.
An additional question then concerning the life and work of the 12 apostles when they are resurrected.
Please explain the time frame for the following prophesy to come to pass...
Will there not be a time when the 12 will be resurrected to mortal life and learn righteousness?
Since Christ and those of his body will be spirit, won't there be physical leaders, also representing Christ, living, breathing in the society around Jerusalem?
Are you dismissing the scriptures below as not applying to the future Kingdom of God on the earth?
Just curious, Thanks for your help, Indiana Bob
= = =
Matt 19:28 -->…27 Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?" 28 And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29"And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.…
Luke 22:30
so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
--- End quote ---
I-Bob,
The reason for my original response to you and my current response is I detect certain beliefs of the Concordant Publishing Concern in your questions.
They believe in two gospels--one for Peter and the Jewish apostles and converts---and one for Paul and the gentile converts. In fact they falsely believe in about two of everything, which Ray exposes in his writings.
Can you say whether or not you believe in those Concordant Publishing teachings?
Besides, Judas will not be with the 12 original Apostles. He died without the Spirit of God within him. He was not there on Pentecost. Apparently, the 11 faithful original Apostles will be in the 1st Resurrection with Jesus, and rule with Jesus, on the Earth.
I detect something not quite right and forthcoming in your questions. Am I right or wrong?
John
Kat:
--- Quote from: indianabob on December 05, 2014, 11:58:12 AM ---Hi Kat,
Thanks for the detailed explanation, much appreciated.
An additional question then concerning the life and work of the 12 apostles when they are resurrected.
Please explain the time frame for the following prophesy to come to pass...
Will there not be a time when the 12 will be resurrected to mortal life and learn righteousness?
Since Christ and those of his body will be spirit, won't there be physical leaders, also representing Christ, living, breathing in the society around Jerusalem?
Are you dismissing the scriptures below as not applying to the future Kingdom of God on the earth?
Just curious, Thanks for your help, Indiana Bob
= = =
Matt 19:28 -->…27 Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?" 28 And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29"And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.…
Luke 22:30
so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
--- End quote ---
Bob, the Apostles were among the very first to recieve the Holy Spirit after Christ went back to the Father. They lived the rest of their lives proving themselves to be servants of Christ to the point that most of them literally gave there life for their beliefs, martyrs. They died in faith and will most certainly be in the first resurrection. They will be raised in glorious spiritual body, and be one with God. The thrones they will sit on are symbolic of the power and authority of Christ they will rule with, it's not literal, and all the elect will have thrones as well.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for afn thousand years.
The elect having spiritual bodies will give them a great advantage in ruling, think of Christ after His resurrection, He met with the disciples and even ate with them. Christ and the elect will be the spiritual leaders ruling the world and I feel it will be a hands on type rulership. Those raised physically would certainly have many ways to serve as well, as there will be much work to be done physically re-organizing every aspect of society.
Hope that is helpful.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
P.S. Alex I agree with what JFK said about Job being a poem/parable.
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