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Job
Ian 155:
Portions of the 'Book "represent" Christ,Portions of the book represent the Scribes,The pharisees,portions represent betrayal.
Good news is they were all reconciled to the Father thru "Job"
This is spiritual reckoning
Forsaking all(trials)and "loss" ,temptations ("why not curse God"),given "Eyes" to see(repentance)
In all of these trials and temptations - "Job sinned not"
there is an afrikaans saying "Dood het n oorsaak" - direct - death has a reason
Rather "there must be a reason for everything"
there was a "reason" for Jobs trials, he was being called,refined and elected - Just like we are
The friends had a "carnal" understanding of God
Rene:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on December 04, 2014, 01:55:10 AM ---
there was a "reason" for Jobs trials, he was being called,refined and elected - Just like we are
--- End quote ---
None of the Old Testament prophets, or men of faith, including Job, will be in the 1st resurrection. This promise was reserved only for those who came after Christ.
Here is scriptural proof and where Ray taught on this:
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm
"But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, that many prophets and righteous men [all the patriarchs of the Old Testament] have desired to see those things which you see, and have NOT seen them, and to hear those things which you hear, and have NOT heard them" (Matt. 13:16-17).
I doubt that many of my readers are comprehending the marvelous truths contained in the above passages. The prophets THEMSELVES (even Isaiah himself), desired to see these things, but did NOT see them. All of the Apostles and New Testament writers understood that the patriarchs of old including the prophets themselves, did not understand their own prophesies, therefore they were not converted, and they are not saved. These things are for those who come after Christ, not before:
"Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto YOU [not unto them!]: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the suffering of Christ, and the glory that should follow [not come BEFORE, in their day and time].
"Unto whom it was revealed, that NOT unto themselves, but unto US they did minister [‘for OUR admonition upon whom the ends of the ages are come, I Cor. 10:11] the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto YOU at the revelation of Jesus Christ" (I Pet. 1:10-13).
Therefore I repeat once more:
"And these all [all the saints and all the prophets, Ver. 32], having obtained a good report through faith, received NOT the promise: God having provided some better thing FOR US, that they without US should NOT be made perfect [be saved]" (Heb. 11:39-40).
indianabob:
Well stated Rene,
The reward of those of old is similar I think to that of Abraham which is places of authority in the physical Kingdom in the physical resurrection here on earth, where they too will be taught righteousness.
Would that apply to John the Baptist and the 12 apostles as well?
Indiana Bob
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: indianabob on December 04, 2014, 07:25:38 PM ---Well stated Rene,
The reward of those of old is similar I think to that of Abraham which is places of authority in the physical Kingdom in the physical resurrection here on earth, where they too will be taught righteousness.
Would that apply to John the Baptist and the 12 apostles as well?
Indiana Bob
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I-Bob,
I don't think you are understanding the Scriptures quoted by Rene.
None of the Old Testament figures will be in the 1st Resurrection, including Abraham, David, and all the rest, nor will John the Baptist. They died before Jesus' Passover sacrifice and His Resurrection, nor did any of them receive the Holy Spirit dwelling within them as started on the Day of Pentecost.
There will be no physical Kingdom. The government will consist of Jesus and His called and chosen who will be born again at the 1st Resurrection. There will be no government other than Jesus and His saints. They will rule on the Earth.
Everything hinges on Jesus. None of the others are important. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Grace and Truth came by Jesus. The government will be upon His shoulders. The Elect will serve and assist Jesus. Jesus is the Teacher. Jesus is the Great King. No opposition will be allowed. All will eventually be saved but only through Jesus.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on December 04, 2014, 08:18:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: indianabob on December 04, 2014, 07:25:38 PM ---Well stated Rene,
The reward of those of old is similar I think to that of Abraham which is places of authority in the physical Kingdom in the physical resurrection here on earth, where they too will be taught righteousness.
Would that apply to John the Baptist and the 12 apostles as well?
Indiana Bob
--- End quote ---
I-Bob,
I don't think you are understanding the Scriptures quoted by Rene.
None of the Old Testament figures will be in the 1st Resurrection, including Abraham, David, and all the rest, nor will John the Baptist. They died before Jesus' Passover sacrifice and His Resurrection, nor did any of them receive the Holy Spirit dwelling within them as started on the Day of Pentecost.
There will be no physical Kingdom. The government will consist of Jesus and His called and chosen who will be born again at the 1st Resurrection. There will be no government other than Jesus and His saints. They will rule on the Earth.
Everything hinges on Jesus. None of the others are important. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Grace and Truth came by Jesus. The government will be upon His shoulders. The Elect will serve and assist Jesus. Jesus is the Teacher. Jesus is the Great King. No opposition will be allowed. All will eventually be saved but only through Jesus.
--- End quote ---
Hi John,
I don't think bob was saying that abraham will be raised spiritual. He specifically mentions that abraham will be raised physical in his post. The "first ressurection" is the ressurection consisting of the elect who we know are raised spiritual like Christ was.
Revelation 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
Your post sounds like you're saying there is more than one but I don't think you were trying to say that.
Rev. 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished*" is spurious. We can disregard this.
There is only one Resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:20-28
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Also, I take contention with the "there will be no physical kingdom." While Christ and the elect will be spiritual, the rest of the dead will not be. They will be raised to physical bodies
Ezekiel 37:3 And he said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” And I answered, “O Lord God, you know.”
Ezekiel 37:7-10 "So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I prophesied, there was a sound, and behold, a rattling, and the bones came together, bone to its bone. And I looked, and behold, there were sinews on them, and flesh had come upon them, and skin had covered them. But there was no breath in them. 9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, Thus says the Lord God: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.” o I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army."
I don't think bob was saying that there will be a "phsyical kingdom" in the sense that it will be a kingdom of men, run by men, etc... there will only be Jesus who will eventually give up all authority to His father. Yes there will be no opposition.
God bless,
Alex
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