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Rinus:
Ola Rick
You say,"I agree, it’s a beautiful story, it reminds me of Christ sacrifice for the sins of the world." then you turnaround and say,"...the fact remains Grandma is a shoplifter." and then you say,"The officer involved is also guilty of dereliction of duty, his job is to enforce the law which he failed to do." and then you say,"Stealing is wrong, even if one steals to feed their young, its still wrong, ( thou shall not steal.)" and then you say,"But I do agree with you Gina, it is a beautiful story of forgiveness, compassion and love."
Sincerely, you are contradicting yourself.where is there "forgiveness,compassion and love?" Even on your 2nd reply to Gina, it contradicts your,"..it reminds me of Christ sacrifice.." statement. where are the similarities between Christs sacrifice and this story?We'll wait for your reply.
Ola Gina
Gina you said,"I think the cop took the most cost-effective, compassionate approach. Maybe it even sent a message to other hotheaded, overworked cops to take a friggin' chill pill!"
Now here is a question to you Gina. what do you think the cop should do when the shop owners call him next time about another "delinquency of a minor?"
Options:
1)You could arrest the thief, but WAIT!If you arrest the thief then one could ask,"Mr Cop, why didn't you arrest the grandma who stole last week for a similar crime?". If you still arrest the thief then you would be guilty of being partial, showing favoritism, letting one go free and arresting the other. And we know showing partiality is a SIN. 1 Timothy 5:21- NIV"...keep these instructions without partiality, and to do NOTHING(absolutely nothing) out of favoritism. James 2:9 NIV" But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. Proverbs 24:23,24 NIV"To show partiality in judging is not good:Whoever says to the guilty,'You are innocent'-peoples will curse him and nations denounce him.
2) If you do to the 2nd thief what you did to the grandma, then it may come to a point where the shop owners think,"Ok, this is getting out of hand now! We call this cop to arrest a thief and he lets them go.This is the 2nd time now. I wonder what would happen should a serious crime happen,what's he gonna do?" Possibly, the shop owners will report you to your authorities and you'll loose your job.
3) Other.If you choose this option, please explain how you would help the cop get out of this hole that he just put himself in.
We'll wait for your reply
NB:You said,:"I'm warning you: I could cut you down so far you would wish you never met me. Ask anybody(WOOOOW!Really?ANYBODY?Does this include even those who don't know YOU) here, but I do not want to go that route, so let's drop it before an argument breaks out."-Sincerely Gina, i think you are the one who needs a "friggin' chill pilll" or "you could cut" yourself "down so far you would wish you never met" yourself. It's not Rick you'll be destroying/cutting Gina, you'd be destroying/cutting yourself. AND you can ask "anybody here" who keeps the Law.
Ola Alex
You said:"Gina, you seem to be sowing discord over a political matter.."
Comment: This is not a political matter. Indianabob said:"This could be a helpful lesson..." and i agree with him. Though, you are right when saying Gina is "sowing discord ", cause her opinions are misleading those that agree with her, and are misleading hundreds that are reading this thread and not participating.
You said:"Rick's post was spot on."
Comment:No!Rick's post was not "spot on." Its filled with contradictions. He(Rick) is partly right, though, in some of his sentence(s).
How is this a political matter?We'll wait for your reply.
NB:Your post on judging is off base.Perhaps one could start a new thread discussing judging. You say," I see an emphasis on judging ourselves, don't judge your brother or the world." and yet you judge Gina. If you/we take your own interpretation on judging, then that would make you a hypocrite.
Ola Loc
You said,"It reminds me of the parable in Matthew 18:21-35". Sincerely, how on earth does this story remind you of the parable of the Unmerciful Servant?Where are the similarities?
You say,"I think Gina is the one who's spot on,"
Comment:NO!Gina is not spot on.Like Rick, both their spots are off. Although, Rick is partly right.
You may answer the same questions i posed to Gina If you still think she is spot on.
Again, we'll wait for your reply.
Ola Kat
You said,"No need for us to get caught up in the right or wrong of that situation."
Again, Indianabob is right. He said:"This could be a helpful lesson." This is a great opportunity to learn, to Judge, and see the situation as God would see it.After all isn't that what we might do in the age to come?
Ola Rhys
You also follow Gina's point of view i see. You may answer the same questions that i posed to her.
You say,"Using right judgement is what it's about than just what things appear to be."
Comment:You are right, this thread is an opportunity to use the right judgement, and you have failed to do so.
You say,"Need to see the bigger picture and that is what the cop saw."
Comment:No Rhys. Haven't you read or heard? The blind do not see. The cop saw no picture AT ALL!
NB: Did you see what Gina said in another reply? She said,"The cop was very, very wise. He saved them all a tremendous amount of time, heartache and money. He settled it right there. I just love that cop."
Again, we'll wait for your reply.
Indeed indianabob, this is a great opportunity to learn.
Personally, if i was the shop owner,i would've turned the other cheek. After all that is what followers of Christ should do. And the cop?Well lets just say i wouldn't be a cop and a follower of Christ. The job would contradict or come in conflict with Christ eventually.
Rhys 🕊:
Rinus I do not know what you are on about and have not interest in answering your silly questions. We are here to discuss and learn but you are turning it into a big debate that I have no interest in being a part of so will not take any further part of it.
Also remember the rules here
I'd also like to remind the members that the 'subtitle' of the Off-Topics board is "Just for fun posts and lighthearted banter". Just something to think about, should topics start or change into something other than good-hearted and civil fellowship.
Questioning as to trying to get a better understanding of what the Scriptures state as taught by Ray Smith is what we are here for. This forum is for those of “like mind” to fellowship. If you are not of like mind that is fine just don’t post your beliefs, or debate here.
rick:
Hello Rinus, and God bless you.
There is no wisdom in pursuing this subject, in fact , there is more wisdom in locking this thread than exploring it.
Gina feels as she does and I respect Gina as a sister of mine in the Lord , just a thought, perhaps everyone is right from their own perspective. ;)
wat:
I agree with Rhys and Rick. We've already had a few rounds of discussion and said our piece. It looks like everyone still feels the same as they did before. This thread's already gotten ugly and answering Rinus' questions wouldn't help anything.
Dennis Vogel:
This is why we need to stick to the forum rules and discuss what Ray taught and nothing more.
I'm going to lock this topic.
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