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The sumerian King's list
lilitalienboi16:
Has anyone ever heard this or seen this before? I stumbled upon it today while looking into adam's decscendants and their lifespans. Its very interesting in the similar type of pattern we see between this piece of archeology and that of Genesis pre and post flood even though the sumarian lifespan's pre flood are even more intense than those of Genesis.
http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends-asia/sumerian-king-list-still-puzzles-historians-after-more-century-research-001287
Still found it fascinating to see the same pattern unfold. You really got to wonder sometimes just how much do we really understand.
God bless,
Alex
indianabob:
Hi Alex,
As you say interesting
Have to question though the life span of the kings in thousands of years.
Does the text give any reason why the Kings lived so long? How does that statement relate to the Genesis version?
Isn't a life span of 500 years scientifically reasonable compared to 36,000 years in Sumer?
36,000 divided by 360 days = 100 years.
Indiana Bob
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: indianabob on January 12, 2015, 03:07:08 PM ---Hi Alex,
As you say interesting
Have to question though the life span of the kings in thousands of years.
Does the text give any reason why the Kings lived so long? How does that statement relate to the Genesis version?
Isn't a life span of 500 years scientifically reasonable compared to 36,000 years in Sumer?
36,000 divided by 360 days = 100 years.
Indiana Bob
--- End quote ---
Hey bob,
Well, if you notice on the tablet, we go from 36k years originally down to what we would see after the flood of a hundred years etc... so I don't think you can take the days of the year and divide it into the year. They used a different unit which translates into our units of years. So if you get down to the times of the flood and also divide that by 360 days you now have people living less than a year? I don't think that works. I think the article mentions it the type of units they used to measure years. If not, its mentioned in the Wikipedia that I read which was about this tablet too.
Let me see...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_King_List
Antediluvian rulers[edit]
"None of the following predynastic "antediluvian" rulers has been verified as historical via archaeological excavations, epigraphical inscriptions, or otherwise. It is possible that they correspond to the Early Bronze Age Jemdet Nasr period culture which ended approximately 2900 BC, immediately preceding the dynasts,[17] if they were not purely mythological inventions.
The antediluvian reigns were measured in Sumerian numerical units known as sars (units of 3600), ners (units of 600), and sosses (units of 60 )
Ruler
Epithet
Length of reign
Approx. dates
Comments
"After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridug. In Eridug, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28800 years."
Alulim 8 sars (28,800 years) Between 35th and 30th century BC
Alalngar 10 sars (36,000 years)
"Then Eridug fell and the kingship was taken to Bad-tibira."
En-men-lu-ana 12 sars (43,200 years)
En-men-gal-ana 8 sars (28,800 years)
Dumuzid, the Shepherd "the shepherd" 10 sars (36,000 years)
"Then Bad-tibira fell and the kingship was taken to Larag."
En-sipad-zid-ana 8 sars (28,800 years)
"Then Larag fell and the kingship was taken to Zimbir."
En-men-dur-ana 5 sars and 5 ners (21,000 years)
"Then Zimbir fell and the kingship was taken to Shuruppag."
Ubara-Tutu 5 sars and 1 ner (18,600 years)
"Then the flood swept over."[citation needed]Excavations in Iraq have revealed evidence of localized flooding at Shuruppak (modern Tell Fara, Iraq) and various other Sumerian cities. A layer of riverine sediments, radiocarbon dated to ca. 2900 BC, interrupts the continuity of settlement, extending as far north as the city of Kish. Polychrome pottery from the Jemdet Nasr period (3000-2900 BC) was discovered immediately below the Shuruppak flood stratum.[19] "
See wiki for more!
Hope that helps answer your question bob.
God bless,
Alex
P.S. Adam lived to be roughly a thousand years and many of his early descendants were close to that age as well.
Kat:
Hi Alex,
I have read many accounts that try to explain away the longevity in Scripture of the generations from Adam down to Noah's. People just cannot believe this could be true. But I certainly believe it.
I've thought about this many times and something occurred to me that might possibly explain why God would have made those generations after Adam live so long. Thinking that God was indeed starting a whole new class of people on earth, a more advanced civilization, because I believe there were already people on earth at the time of Adam. Those first people, from science research, may have taken many hundreds of thousands of years to develop into a sizable population, a very long time whatever it was.
So if God wanted to start this new class and not take tens or even hundreds of thousands of years for them to get established, well just increase their lifespan for a while. There would have been many generations living at the same time, hard to imagine. But this would have brought about an exponential growth in their numbers rather quickly.
Just a thought.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
John from Kentucky:
I do not trust Sumerians. Sumerians are men. Men lie.
As for the genealogies in Genesis, they are possibly all symbolic, not literal.
I do not think any man can live to be 900 years old. I will need proof to believe such a tall tale. The way God designed the human body negates against such a long term life. The oxidation of the blood is a controlled chemical burn, which is why we have a temperature. We are burning our cells up over time. I know health nuts believe by eating a handful of blueberries and hickory nuts one can live long, but there is a reason we have health nuts; they're nuts!
A period of 1,000 years is symbolic in the Scriptures of a perfect complete age. The age of the men in Genesis of 900 years represents the age of mankind; one hundred years short of perfection. Just like the number 6-6-6 also is a number for mankind; one number short of the perfect number of 7.
One of the most righteous men between Adam and Noah was Enoch. Enoch lived 365 years. Why was the life of the most righteous man only about 1/3 of the others? Maybe his years were also symbolic. 365 days in a year; a perfect period of time for a righteous man.
The Septuagint was the Greek translation of the Old Testament, translated about 250 years or so before Jesus' birth. The Septuagint was the primary text used by Jesus and the Apostles when they quoted the Old Testament in the New Testament. The Septuagint has different numbers in the Genesis genealogies than the text used in most of our English translations. Why the difference?
Could that be why Paul several times admonishes us not to argue about genealogies? That they are symbolic rather than literal? Or the different versions could have had copying errors?
Paul was extremely intelligent and educated. He was taught in person by Jesus. Which is why we should get off the subject of genealogies; our understanding is not complete in this area.
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