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lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on January 12, 2015, 06:33:55 PM ---I do not trust Sumerians. Sumerians are men. Men lie.
As for the genealogies in Genesis, they are possibly all symbolic, not literal.
I do not think any man can live to be 900 years old. I will need proof to believe such a tall tale. The way God designed the human body negates against such a long term life. The oxidation of the blood is a controlled chemical burn, which is why we have a temperature. We are burning our cells up over time. I know health nuts believe by eating a handful of blueberries and hickory nuts one can live long, but there is a reason we have health nuts; they're nuts!
A period of 1,000 years is symbolic in the Scriptures of a perfect complete age. The age of the men in Genesis of 900 years represents the age of mankind; one hundred years short of perfection. Just like the number 6-6-6 also is a number for mankind; one number short of the perfect number of 7.
One of the most righteous men between Adam and Noah was Enoch. Enoch lived 365 years. Why was the life of the most righteous man only about 1/3 of the others? Maybe his years were also symbolic. 365 days in a year; a perfect period of time for a righteous man.
The Septuagint was the Greek translation of the Old Testament, translated about 250 years or so before Jesus' birth. The Septuagint was the primary text used by Jesus and the Apostles when they quoted the Old Testament in the New Testament. The Septuagint has different numbers in the Genesis genealogies than the text used in most of our English translations. Why the difference?
Could that be why Paul several times admonishes us not to argue about genealogies? That they are symbolic rather than literal? Or the different versions could have had copying errors?
Paul was extremely intelligent and educated. He was taught in person by Jesus. Which is why we should get off the subject of genealogies; our understanding is not complete in this area.
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Paul also said this:
1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural [Literal, physical]; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
The natural is first. While you glean great spiritual insight from what happened and they are the most important things for us in this day and age, no doubt about it, they were also first historical events that happened and were recorded. Paul says they happened.
Paul also talks about Adam and shares the spiritual insight he was privileged to known which came AFTER the natural history that happened.
I'm not trying to cause controversy about geneologies or even debate it.
God bless,
Alex
Joel:
The longer I live, the more I marvel at the wondrous works of our God, that has no beginning or ending of life.
Makes me curious as to what has been going on for so long, and just how much we don't know.
We have the Biblical record that God in his great wisdom has given us, and it is to the end that we may know more about our Lord, and Savior Jesus Christ, the Son of God that takes away the sins of the world.
It makes sense to me that the longer amount of years that people lived as recorded in the scriptures gave the people living then more time to gain knowledge, and a witness from various people.
Writings and records that we are so accustomed to, didn't exist or were few and far between.
The way I see it genealogy does have it's place, after all there are numerous places where God goes in to great detail to show a particular lineage. The birth of Jesus, and the connections as recorded in both Matthew, and Luke.
During Paul's day there were no doubt people that tried to impress others by showing how they were someone important because they were born of one tribe or another.
At that time the temple workers had to have lineage from Aaron, or Levi.
Paul placed, and rightly so, more emphasis on the Lord, and how the scriptures testified of his coming, and his death , burial, and resurrection.
Joel
Ricky:
Does man have any 100% solid proof today, that anybody ever existed in the bible, If God does not change, how could he change the age of all men to live. I have lots of questions on this one. Ricky
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Ricky on January 13, 2015, 04:04:05 PM ---Does man have any 100% solid proof today, that anybody ever existed in the bible, If God does not change, how could he change the age of all men to live. I have lots of questions on this one. Ricky
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Do not doubt. Paramount truths are that God lives and He does not lie and His Word does not lie.
By two or three witnesses let every word be established.
It is human understanding of God that could be wrong.
Could the 900 year lives of the early biblical figures have alternate explanations?
Could the last digit be a fraction of a year and the 1st two digits represent whole years?
Could the numbers be symbolic that man's years are less than the symbolic 1,000 years of a perfect age?
Or could men actually live to be over 900 years old?
I do not have the answer, just speculation.
But I do know that if God wanted men to live to be over 900 years old, that God could do that. Nothing is impossible with God. His Power is beyond our comprehension. That is why the study of God is the most fascinating adventure there is. Everything else pales into insignificance.
So take heart, all will be understood at the appointed times.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on January 13, 2015, 06:42:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ricky on January 13, 2015, 04:04:05 PM ---Does man have any 100% solid proof today, that anybody ever existed in the bible, If God does not change, how could he change the age of all men to live. I have lots of questions on this one. Ricky
--- End quote ---
Do not doubt. Paramount truths are that God lives and He does not lie and His Word does not lie.
By two or three witnesses let every word be established.
It is human understanding of God that could be wrong.
Could the 900 year lives of the early biblical figures have alternate explanations?
Could the last digit be a fraction of a year and the 1st two digits represent whole years?
Could the numbers be symbolic that man's years are less than the symbolic 1,000 years of a perfect age?
Or could men actually live to be over 900 years old?
I do not have the answer, just speculation.
But I do know that if God wanted men to live to be over 900 years old, that God could do that. Nothing is impossible with God. His Power is beyond our comprehension. That is why the study of God is the most fascinating adventure there is. Everything else pales into insignificance.
So take heart, all will be understood at the appointed times.
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Amen, Amen!
God bless,
Alex
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