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lilitalienboi16:
Well Oatmeal, I am not limited to one scripture. I will bring more. I simply see that you are stubborn and set in your ways with no desire to change your mind. You are arguing for the sake of arguing with many words but little understanding.
I'm going to make a brief post to simply do away with the idea that a singular 'yom' refers to only twelve hours of time. Some very simple scriptures.
Deu 10:10 And I stayed in the mount, according to the first time [H3117 YOM], forty days [H3117 YOM] and forty nights; and the LORD hearkened unto me at that time also, and the LORD would not destroy thee.
Moses refers to the forty days and forty nights spent on the mountain with God as a singular day. Yom. No plural, just singular. Forty days and nights became one yom.
1Ki 11:42 And the time [H3117 Yom] that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years.
Here King's solomon reign, all forty years, is referred to as a Yom. These are the Words of Jesus too Oatmeal.
This is clearly a period if time much longer than twelve hours but apparently I despise the Words of Jesus. Perhaps Oatmeal, it would be best to remember:
Psalm 119:160 The sum of Thy word is truth, And to the age is every judgment of Thy righteousness!
You seem to be ignoring the SUM of God's Word in deciding what the length of time a yom is. Perhaps it varies based on context?
Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always [H3605 Kole] [H3117 Yom], that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Strong's Definition of H3605
kole, kole
From H3634; properly the whole; hence all, any or every (in the singular only, but often in a plural sense): - (in) all (manner, [ye]), altogether, any (manner), enough, every (one, place, thing), howsoever, as many as, [no-] thing, ought, whatsoever, (the) whole, whoso (-ever).
Total KJV occurrences: 5406
We need only fear the Lord God a whole twelve hours, the totality of that singular yom, and things will be well for us and our children for the rest of time! That doesn't sound so bad! I think I can manage twelve hours.
Here is that exact same construct of "whole, (in) all, altogether" etc..
Deu 11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, always [H3605 Kol] [H3117 Yom].
Do you really believe we are to Love God for only a whole twelve hours? Obey God only for the totality of a singular Yom, which according to you, is just twelve hours?
Perhaps my entire life is a Yom. Did you ever think of that?
Deu 19:9 If thou shalt keep all these commandments to do them, which I command thee this day [H3117 Yom], to love the LORD thy God, and to walk ever [H3605 Kol] [H3117 Yom] in his ways; then shalt thou add three cities more for thee, beside these three:
Maybe I should walk in God's ways all my life and not merely a whole twelve hours?
Exodus 20:8 Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days [ Singular Yom] may be long in the land.
Well look at that! Even though the hebrew uses a siingular yom with no modifiers, the kjv went ahead and made it plural. The reason is that my life, all my days, is a yom. "That thy yom may be long in the land." Definitely not 12 hours.
back to Genesis 2:4
ASV) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.
(CLV) These are the genealogical annals of the heavens and the earth, when they were created. In the day Yahweh Elohim made the earth and the heavens,
(ESV) These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
(GNB) And that is how the universe was created. When the LORD God made the universe,
(ISV) These are the records of how the heavens and the earth were created. On the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Notice the two words created [Bara] and made [Asah]. They are different for a reason. In the beginning at Genesis 1:1, God HAD ALREADY CREATED the necessary pieces to MAKE (Fashion, mold etc..) the heavens and the earth.
God explains the process of that making, the fashioning and molding, in the previous chapter where each period of time is then broken into seperate yom's. For example:
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Notice God associates "Let there be..." with the process of "making" something. Fashion, molding, etc... Look at when this all happens? During those six days.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
What does God say after all these days?
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
God just finished making everything. This is that generation, that DAY of making.
Genesis 2:4 In the day Yahweh Elohim made the earth and the heavens,
As ray stated, Genesis 1:1 as written in the hebrew denotes that the Heaven's and the earth had already been created at that point. They were not yet made though into what they are now. The pieces were brought into existence but the fashioning, the making , the process of that, had not yet occurred. This Genesis 2:4 is talking about that in the beginning and the process which occurs after it.
In Christ,
Alex
wat:
Actually Alex, Oatmeal is correct. The scriptures you mentioned, he already addressed in his previous post. Yom is used in the plural in those scriptures. Look it up in different translations, like the Concordant, or use a Hebrew interlinear. Yom is plural in those verses. Multiple yoms can be a long time, there's no argument about that. The question Oatmeal is raising is if a singular yom can be more than 12 hours.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Loc on March 02, 2015, 06:14:47 PM ---Actually Alex, Oatmeal is correct. The scriptures you mentioned, he already addressed in his previous post. Yom is used in the plural in those scriptures. Look it up in different translations, like the Concordant, or use a Hebrew interlinear. Yom is plural in those verses. Multiple yoms can be a long time, there's no argument about that. The question Oatmeal is raising is if a singular yom can be more than 12 hours.
--- End quote ---
Hi Loc,
I must admit I am no longer following you. Can you explain? When I search these various passages, I get the same word each time with the same strong definition. Are you saying then that Genesis 2:4 is also plural and therefor is not applicable to the "singular" yom in question? How do you determine if its "singular?" Even the hebrew texts I've seen all use yom the same way with the same characters. As an example, I used this website to check hebrew with english side by side: http://qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/Deuteronomy/5.html
God bless,
Alex
wat:
The interlinear I use is this one.
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm
Here's Duet. 10.
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/deu10.pdf
In this interlinear, the Hebrew is the same as the one you gave (http://qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/Deuteronomy/10.html). Although in mine, the words are flipped to read left to right, whereas Hebrew is read right to left, and your interlinear preserves this original order.
The word translated time is from the Hebrew יָּמִים which is yom in the plural.
While the word translated days as in forty days is יוֹם which is yom in the singular.
Interestingly, the Hebrew reads "forty day" and "forty night", while in English we would put an "s" on the end of "day" and "night."
Check some other translations of Deut 10:10.
Rotherham Deu 10:10 But, I, stayed in the mountain according to the former days, forty days and forty nights,—and Yahweh hearkened unto me at that time also, Yahweh was not willing a to destroy thee.
Young's Deu 10:10 `And I--I have stood in the mount, as the former days, forty days and forty nights, and Jehovah hearkeneth unto me also at that time; Jehovah hath not willed to destroy thee.
Concordant Deu 10:10 As for me, I stayed on the mountain as on the first days, forty days and forty nights, and Yahweh hearkened to me also at that time:Yahweh would not bring ruin on you.
As for Gen 2:4, yom is singular there. Though I'm not convinced that Oatmeal is correct in saying this is referring back to Gen. 1:1.
Edit: Look at the transliteration in the interlinears. qbible says "Yämiym" which is plural. scripture4all transliterates a bit differently, but it's the same thing, "imim." The singular is "yom" or "ium", depending on the transliteration.
lilitalienboi16:
Thank you loc for the clarification. I see what you're saying. So now can you explain to me why singular yom means 12 hours? Is the only proof of that being Jesus who asked if an entirely different word for day in greek had twelve hours in it? Can't we find new testament verses which use the word yom and its derivations in quoting the old testament to see how the apostles understood the word by inspiration of the holy spirit?
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