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lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Oatmeal on March 03, 2015, 01:10:35 AM ---Thank you Loc for your assistance. Yes, it is it is the singular yom that is used in Genesis 1 and it is the singular yom that we are discussing.
I did not say that Genesis 2:4 refers back to Genesis 1:1. I gave that as a possibility, and giving some pointers as to why it was possible.
There were some good finds by Alex, I am not unhappy to admit that. It is possible that "the 'day' of", followed by an expression, may be longer than 12 hours. In English there is an expression "saving up for a rainy day". Such expressions however do not alter the meaning of the word 'day' when the word 'day' is used on its own.
Perhaps Alex will be able to prove his hypothesis. That will be ok with me.
In regard to the post by John, "evening to evening" is a qualifying expression.
Putting the science part aside, in which I was very forward, I have asked specific and easy to understand questions in regard to specific aspects of Ray's teaching in regard to the day-age hypothesis, showing clearly why I could not see those aspects as taught as being truthfully accurate. Those questions in their entirety or in the main have not been answered nor has any genuine attempt been made to answer or to address those questions. Instead I have been viciously accused, unmercifully judged, and harshly sentenced by a member of this forum.
Oatmeal
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Oatmeal don't play the Martyr. You accused me of despising the Words of Jesus because I did not agree with you. Do you know the accusations you threw at a brother in Christ?
I repent on my part for not having understood the intricacies of the hebrew language and in ignorance having tried to discuss the matter with you. That being said, I am no language expert. I learned something new today and for that I am grateful so thank you for driving this discussion deeper. Now I don't think you did a very good job of explaining where you were coming from when trying to dissect yom and its usage but you did make your point that you did not like how ray interpreted the word Yom. I got that part from it and so I did my best with what I understood and the tools I had.
Now that I have a better understanding of it I have returned to the matter once more and I am even more convinced, if that's possible, that yom, as it exists in absolute singularness, does not mean twelve hours. It CAN mean twelve hours but it doesn't hold that meaning as its definition. Its clear that it is a period of time that begins and ends though.
Sticking with just Genesis, Adam did not die in the day he ate of the tree, he died at the age of 900+. That alone should cause you to question your notion that day means only twelve hours.
You state: "he 'day' of", followed by an expression, may be longer than 12 hours."
How does adding the word "of" give the word "day" a GREATER meaning than it held previously? When does being OF something make it GREATER than that something? It might be all of that something but surely it does not become greater than the thing it is OF? So how can we go from twelve hours to now in regards to adam eating the fruit, or any of the other examples where we find this construct, to hundreds of years longer all because we added the "he --- of" as you phrased it?
In Christ,
Alex
Joel:
The way I see it, a day can be 12 hours, 24 hours, one thousand years, or a more extended period of time.
The important thing is that God is referring in every instance I know about, to an event that has taken place, or is about to take place.
The event is to be the main point of focus.
Joel
Oatmeal:
Hi Alex
Just to make it clear, in my previous post it wasn't you I was accusing of viciously accusing me, etc.
In your accusation that I accused you of despising the words of Jesus, I plead guilty. I phrased the accusations in two questions, thinking that questions could not be an accusation. On reflection, they were. I should have instead phrased a question: "How do the words of Jesus in John 11:9 fit in with the day-age hypothesis?" I therefore humbly apologise. Let me say the words: "I'm sorry. Please forgive me".
This apology applies to all that took offence.
I will get back to you further.
Oatmeal
Oatmeal:
At least at this point in time I will not be contributing further to this thread. It is definitely not worth the work just to be right.
Oatmeal
lilitalienboi16:
Hi Oatmeal,
No hard feelings.
We will get there! All in God's time.
God bless,
Alex
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