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The Marriage Vow
Gina:
Neo:
--- Quote --- I DO have such a “certificate of marriage” issued by the state! I do not know what my vow was; it was spelled out for me by the state to recite. I did not know what I was agreeing to, I just wanted to marry my beautiful 19 year old wife and I would have signed anything.
I’ve since seen the error in that as well.
If this contract with the state gave existence to my marriage, and was the THING that joined us together, then it was not GOD who joined us. It is either or… I think this very statement is what launched me on my odyssey of really trying to understand what marriage is!
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Really now.
2 Cor 11:
2 For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ.
Here's Paul's written record that he betrothed the Corinthians to Christ. They didn't betroth themselves to Christ. You say you didn't know what you were reciting. That's understandable. You were only 19. You were young. But the same can be said of those who sign contracts when purchasing a car. Who reads the fine print? All we know is .... we want to be driving that car.
Did the Corinthians know what they were getting into? I don't think so. They were yet carnal.
Just because your physical marriage was solidified by the state doesn't make it void in the eyes of God:
Romans 13
3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;
4 for it is a minister of God to you for good.
...
5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
When you married your wife you say that the vows were written for you, and therefore God didn't join you, the state did. I'm sorry, the state didn't force you to recite any vows. Your marriage is not invalid in the eyes of God all because you recited vows before people that God set in positions of power to witness them. You can claim you didn't understand your vows or even know what you were saying, but that could have simply been a helluva bachelor party the night before. Ya know? Again, you were united voluntarily and no one held a gun to your head.
I believe that God used the state/rulers, if you will, to solidify your physical union in the same way God uses men like Paul to betroth us to Christ - by deed and by word. And you were planning on marrying your wife however long before you actually tied the knot, right? The state didn't put it on your heart to want to be married to your wife. They were just there in the event you decided you wanted to marry her.
He who finds a wife, finds a good thing.
The mind of man plans his way, But the LORD directs his steps.
To humans belong the plans of the heart, but from the LORD comes the proper answer of the tongue.
Many are the plans in a person's heart, but it is the LORD's purpose that prevails.
A person's steps are directed by the LORD. How then can anyone understand their own way?
Don't be concerned that simply because you have a written record of your marriage to your wife from those put in place by God, that God didn't join you two together.
And you can be sure that your wife didn't know what she was reciting either. Not many do when they're that in love. Being in love is hypnotic and people aren't typically in the best frame of mind when they're drunk on love.
It's very humbling to discover in our walk with Christ that we have no free will.
I really hope that you are not regretting marrying your wife? I hope she is treating you good and is kind to you, Michael. We may disagree on certain trivial things, and get a little rude here and there, but I would venture to guess based on what I have read from you that you have been kind and faithful to her as much as humanly possible. And God wouldn't have a problem with that.
God bless you,
Gina
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: Ricky on February 15, 2015, 01:35:31 PM ---I thought Adam and Eve were brought together by God spiritually, no vows, no wedding, no limo, and no Pagan stuff; Maybe we should be doing the same. Ricky
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There may be different levels of understanding on this, the whole Adam and eve Parable is just that ,Adam being a “type of Christ” Eve representing Humanity .... Without permission God takes out of Adam a Bone then proceeds to create Eve. When the “bride” Eve is formed Adam is happy Bone of my bone flesh of my flesh.(we all come out of Christ)In him and thru him all ALL things...
Eve or humanity is considered Weak or spoken of as the weaker as she like us circumed to the Serpent. Likewise all of us go thru this hence we are weak/wicked/...whichever theologian’s dictionary you follow.
The whole word is about the fusion of the 2 – for this reason a MAN shall leave his FATHERS HOUSE and be joined to his wife and the 2 shall become as one.
For the same Reason ...Jesus Left /was sent from his FATHER's HOUSE in order to become one with us.(I believe)
There is rejoicing at the arrival of The Christ in us and it impacts many...Luke 1 v44
Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
lurquer:
I understand what you are saying, Ian. Thanks for (finally) making sense. And I agree with this at least. But I still do believe Adam and Eve were also literal human beings. If you have scripture to show otherwise, I'm all ears.
lurquer:
--- Quote from: Gina on February 15, 2015, 11:11:33 PM ---Michael, you have such a double standard. You say you believe that vows are unnecessary when it comes to marriage, but then you turn around and beg us to answer you just so that you can have visible, written proof that people are in agreement with you. haha! You are a funny man, Michael.
Come on, let's stop this nonsense and be glad for what we have. A vow in marriage and a ceremony isn't some extreme heavy burden that people are under. You wed your wife, voluntarily! Nobody held a gun to your head, ha ha -- you WANTED to marry her, remember? You would have done anything to marry her, remember? So what's the big deal?
You're bringing this forum down to the dumps over something you say you're unclear on but then you finally let out your position, but still you have double standard.
If I were in your shoes, I'd be really embarrassed.
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Well, Gina, all I can say is you are wrong. You're wrong about my position, you misunderstand my intentions, and you do err by fantasizing about my reasons for asking these things. You also do err in not carefully studying the scriptures with regard to this subject, but instead deferring to what 'the church' has always taught, and how the state foists their doctrine upon us. All of the wedding vows/ceremonies/accoutrements are demonstrably pagan in nature and serve no purpose for God's people. The "marriage covenant" THEORY proposed by most in Babylon is a pure, unscriptural fiction.
Do I have a double standard? I've no idea. The Lord knows. I only want the truth and I despise error. I honestly believe this matter of marriage is deeply misunderstood by God's people (especially in our Western society), and the error is propagating...and metastasizing.
I am not 100% certain about my thoughts on this, which is why I bothered to ask the members here what their ideas were (I respect your opinions). Frankly, I expected more searched-out and cognizant positions from them, so we could 'compare notes'. But it seems I'm the only one who's really given this subject some serious, long term thought. Most, instead only regurgitate what Ray said in one short study.. I love Ray and understand and accept almost everything he's taught (else I wouldn't be here). But I think he totally missed it on this and it has brought confusion (to me, at least) at a time when I was really seeking. I asked about the vow because I didn't think it existed and I wanted to know if there was something I missed--OR--are most people just accepting a doctrine blindly.
No one has the whole truth, Gina. Ray did not write scripture. We all could use some guidance. This world God made is an unimaginably complicated place with realms inside of realms and the darkness of this Age shrouds almost everything. But sometimes, God lifts the curtain--just a little bit...for those who want to see.
This discussion was not about me, or my personal life. If it helps you, I have a happy marriage with my wife; we love each other and neither of us have any regrets. She doesn't see things the way I do (she is totally ambivalent about these Truths we've learned here, for instance), but that's ok. No, I did not intend to "bring this forum down in the dumps"...Please, really? If that is the consensus, let others say so and I'll just go away. No harm, no foul. And no, I'm not embarrassed; I have no reason to be.
Meanwhile, I'll try and answer a question that's posed about this subject. My intention is to dispel confusion--others' and my own. If that offends you, my apologies... (In any case, you said your mind was already satisfied with your understanding, so why do you keep needling me??)
John from Kentucky:
NEWSFLASH !!!!
Hey guys, I found this really, really cool bible study by Ray on marriage. He based his study on the Scriptures. Isn't that unusual? I attached it below; everyone should study it.
Just think. Ray was just a roofer.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5675.0.html
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