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Is your faith challenged when you hear about UFO’s
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Rick on February 27, 2015, 05:47:56 PM ---To all who responded,
First I thank all you for some great responses, I wasn’t aware Ray had some things to say about UFO’s in some of his e-mails and I thank all of you who put those e mails out there for me to read, they were very helpful.
Im somewhat perplex as to the people who were here before Adam and Eve, these giants or the Nephilim, the ones Cain referred to when he said to God anyone who finds me will kill me.
Now I discovered there are people alive today that may not be in the lineage of Adams and Eves and if this is true would not God extend salvation to these people also ?
Moreover how can one know if they are from the lineage of Adam and Eve or from the lineage of these Nephilims or giants ?
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You don't know that these 'giants' or Nephilim were the ones Cain referred to, so there's no reason to be perplexed. God is the Father of ALL MANKIND, and it doesn't matter what your understanding (or lack thereof) of 'lineages' may be. God said, LET US MAKE MANKIND IN OUR IMAGE. Rest on that even if you want to grapple with the other.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on February 27, 2015, 06:09:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on February 27, 2015, 05:47:56 PM ---To all who responded,
First I thank all you for some great responses, I wasn’t aware Ray had some things to say about UFO’s in some of his e-mails and I thank all of you who put those e mails out there for me to read, they were very helpful.
Im somewhat perplex as to the people who were here before Adam and Eve, these giants or the Nephilim, the ones Cain referred to when he said to God anyone who finds me will kill me.
Now I discovered there are people alive today that may not be in the lineage of Adams and Eves and if this is true would not God extend salvation to these people also ?
Moreover how can one know if they are from the lineage of Adam and Eve or from the lineage of these Nephilims or giants ?
--- End quote ---
You don't know that these 'giants' or Nephilim were the ones Cain referred to, so there's no reason to be perplexed. God is the Father of ALL MANKIND, and it doesn't matter what your understanding (or lack thereof) of 'lineages' may be. God said, LET US MAKE MANKIND IN OUR IMAGE. Rest on that even if you want to grapple with the other.
--- End quote ---
Pretty much this. Also, the promise is no longer after the flesh but after the spirit. Those in Christ are the Jews now. Circumcision is of the heart and not of the penis. Its a new covenant not in accordance with the old so it matters not who is of the lineage of Adam and Eve any more. It was a big deal though to physical Isreal back in the day. First the natural then the spiritual. The physical covenant was merely a shadow of a spiritual reality to come in Christ.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Kat:
Hi Rick,
Act 17:26 “And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
v. 27 “so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
v. 28 “for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.'
Paul here states that God "made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth," this means of the human race, as the word "blood" is used as a metaphorical term to denote race here. Paul even goes further to state "every nation... on earth" is God's "offspring." So yes I would certainly believe those before Adam will ultimately be save.
Now this may be different from what we have always heard, but that should not keep us from accepting the truth and when you realize this truth many Scripture begin to make more sense. Now this is not an idea that I came up with, it is what Ray began to understand and present to us.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12719.msg111472.html#msg111472 ---
RAY'S COMMENT: Chapter two does not contradict chapter one. The order in chapter one is plants, animals, and then humanity. Is this not the order found in the geologic table? Chapter two does not recount the creation of humanity, but rather the creation of Adam and Eve. In Genesis 1:26 God "made" [Heb: 'asah'] male and female. In Gen. 2:6 God "formed" [Heb: 'yatsar'] Adam--two difference Hebrew words: two different formations. Notice that it doesn't say in chapter 2 verse 3 that there was no man on earth at this time, but rather that there was "no man to till the ground." There were men, but they were hunters/gatherers, not farmers. God is now going to make a more advance human to cultivate and farm the land.
The phrase "dress it and keep it" in verse 15, is "tend and cultivate." God is teaching Adam to be a farmer. When in doubt, read a proper translation. God did not create the animals AFTER He created Adam. Notice a proper translation from the Concordant Literal Old Testament: "And furthermore, Ieu Alueim ['the Lord God'] HAVING FORMED [yes, having ALREADY formed, millions of years in the past] all field life and every flyer of the heavens." God is bringing to Adam the Animal species which He had already created millions of years in the past, to have Adam give names to them. This obviously took years. Some, such as the dinosaurs (the reptilian 'tannyin, tannyim,' of Gen. 1:21 had already been extinct for many millions of years. These were decidedly not, "great whales," as the King James erroneously translates it).
It was from this first group of humanity that Cain apparently got his wife, cities were built, etc.
Chapter two does not cover the creation of plant life. That began hundreds of millions of years earlier. What God is doing in Chapter two is He is planting a garden for the man to cultivate, farm, and harvest. The word "planted" in Gen. 2:8 is from the Hebrew meaning "to sprout." God "sprouted" newly planted trees, etc. They were mere buds, which would require years to produce fruit to eat. What was Adam expected to eat until these trees matured?
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
lurquer:
That God has made from one "blood" all of mankind obviously does not mean we all share the same Original Ancestor. Or do some of you maintain that it does?
If by "blood", the scriptures mean "human type" or "species", that is a group that is inter-fertile, then I agree with the above statement. In other words, I do not think all of humanity today shares the same Original Ancestor. But, I am open to correction on that.
So, Kat, I wonder if I see it as (I think) you do...The flood of Noah entirely destroyed all the "sons of God"--that is the bloodline from Adam, except for Noah and his sons. Those 'others' who survived on the earth (the Nations) were therefore not of the line of Adam.
I think if this view is correct, it explains the existence of the Reptilians... (politicians, authoritarians, warmongers, and other heathenist psychopathic types).
Also, I wonder about the folks Jesus referred to as being "of their father, the devil"...Was there any literal/physical sense to his observation? And, is it possible Cain and Able had different fathers?
Nathan:
--- Quote ---That God has made from one "blood" all of mankind obviously does not mean we all share the same Original Ancestor. Or do some of you maintain that it does?
If by "blood", the scriptures mean "human type" or "species", that is a group that is inter-fertile, then I agree with the above statement. In other words, I do not think all of humanity today shares the same Original Ancestor. But, I am open to correction on that.
So, Kat, I wonder if I see it as (I think) you do...The flood of Noah entirely destroyed all the "sons of God"--that is the bloodline from Adam, except for Noah and his sons. Those 'others' who survived on the earth (the Nations) were therefore not of the line of Adam.
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I think you are correct here Neo, although I don't know if we can be sure that all of the sons of God were destroyed in the flood unless all of the sons of God were in that part of the land that was destroyed. Is it possible that there were other "sons of God" that had migrated elsewhere over the previous centuries prior to the flood?
--- Quote ---I think if this view is correct, it explains the existence of the Reptilians... (politicians, authoritarians, warmongers, and other heathenist psychopathic types).
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The term "reptilians" is used by those who believe in a literal serpent seed (ie those who falsely believe that Eve had sex with Satan and created a separate race of people on this earth through the bloodline of Cain). It is clear from Scripture that Adam had sex with Eve and she conceived Cain: "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord." (Gen 4:1).
Also referring to reptilians as "politicians, authoritarians, warmongers, and other heathenist psychopathic types" as if they are inherently more evil than the "sons of God" is also a fallacy. Just look at the nation of Israel and the many times they (the people and leadership) fell into "heathenish" behavior and turned their back on God. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and all are capable of every sort of evil.
--- Quote ---Also, I wonder about the folks Jesus referred to as being "of their father, the devil"...Was there any literal/physical sense to his observation? And, is it possible Cain and Able had different fathers?
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"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord." (Gen 4:1). Again, no Cain is not literally the son of the devil. Christ's words are spirit and that statement He made is to be spiritually discerned.
Angels or spirit beings don't procreate with mankind. The whole reptilian/serpent seed/human hybrid doctrine is very popular among certain groups out there, but it is complete fantasy.
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