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Is your faith challenged when you hear about UFO’s
rick:
Hi Dave,
My apologies for not answering your question straight away, is my faith challenged by what had been said.
I must admit after reading the Apollo moon missions transcripts and listening to the governor of Phoenix concerning the Phoenix lights and many other very creditable people I must conclude these are men and also women telling the truth!
At the risk of being met with hostility and ridicule on a Christian forum I thought I would ask regardless of the consequences and opposition I might be met with to gain a greater knowledge of God directly or indirectly.
I don’t recall suggesting or assuming any or all on this forum or off this forum open their eyes or close their eyes.
My only intentions here was to gather information concerning things that I have an interest in that I might reconcile the information I have come across with my creator and His creation.
I am also aware that this forum is Bible Truths .com and not UFO .com
Now to answer your question, my faith has actually increased because I know that anything that was made was made by Christ and our faith should be able to absorb all information or things that come into our life or if not what good is ones faith.
Thanks you for your response Dave .
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Rick on March 08, 2015, 09:03:16 PM ---Hi Dave,
My apologies for not answering your question straight away, is my faith challenged by what had been said.
I must admit after reading the Apollo moon missions transcripts and listening to the governor of Phoenix concerning the Phoenix lights and many other very creditable people I must conclude these are men and also women telling the truth!
At the risk of being met with hostility and ridicule on a Christian forum I thought I would ask regardless of the consequences and opposition I might be met with to gain a greater knowledge of God directly or indirectly.
I don’t recall suggesting or assuming any or all on this forum or off this forum open their eyes or close their eyes.
My only intentions here was to gather information concerning things that I have an interest in that I might reconcile the information I have come across with my creator and His creation.
I am also aware that this forum is Bible Truths .com and not UFO .com
Now to answer your question, my faith has actually increased because I know that anything that was made was made by Christ and our faith should be able to absorb all information or things that come into our life or if not what good is ones faith.
Thanks you for your response Dave .
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I'd becareful what I believe out of men, especially men in positions of power.
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;
Psalm 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
Isaiah 2:22 Stop trusting in mere humans, who have but a breath in their nostrils. Why hold them in esteem?
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately weak: who can know it?
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
In Christ,
Alex
rick:
Hi Alex,
No offence my brother but would you also recite Rom 3: 4 concerning the apostles also who are as Isaiah coined it mere men ? We are to divide the word of God rightly and should not use scripture in an irresponsible way to present any argument.
If your argument is meant to persuade me that all men from the greatest to the least lie constantly without ever telling the truth you have failed to convince me.
I am in the Hvac business and go to peoples homes every day and if my employer should ask me a question about any job or repair I make I tell my employer the truth even if that truth condemns me, I do not twist the truth to suite me but tell the truth.
I assume I’m not the only person who tells the truth Alex,
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Rick on March 08, 2015, 09:51:03 PM ---Hi Alex,
No offence my brother but would you also recite Rom 3: 4 concerning the apostles also who are as Isaiah coined it mere men ? We are to divide the word of God rightly and should not use scripture in an irresponsible way to present any argument.
If your argument is meant to persuade me that all men from the greatest to the least lie constantly without ever telling the truth you have failed to convince me.
I am in the Hvac business and go to peoples homes every day and if my employer should ask me a question about any job or repair I make I tell my employer the truth even if that truth condemns me, I do not twist the truth to suite me but tell the truth.
I assume I’m not the only person who tells the truth Alex,
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I'm sorry rick, I'm not sure if I understand you.
Did you ask me if I would apply what I just urged as caution towards men of this world, for all men are liars, to the apostles too?
1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you[APOSTLES]; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
John 14:16-18 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
1 John 2:14-16 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one. Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
The creation was subject to vanity (moral futility) and without God man cannot do good.
Romans 8:20 For the creature[Gk: Creation] was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity [Deep seated hatred] against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
You don't have to lie constantly to be a liar. You don't have to fornicate constantly to be a fornicator. You don't have to murder constantly to be a murderer. You don't have to sin constantly to be a sinner.
The apostles were being tried and refined by fire. They were being transformed into the image of Christ. The "liar part" was being burned out of them hence why the lake of fire will not have any power over them. The same for all who overcome this world because the lake of fire is for ALL LIARS and then some.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
The apostles spoke by inspiration of God's spirit. To ask if what they wrote should be approached with the same scrutiny to that of carnal man is to reproach God as well. Its the same spirit that inspired Isaiah.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The apostles and God's chosen have the spirit of God indwelling and not that of the worlds. If you have received this spirit you would receive the words of the apostle too as Christ said. So how can you even ask me such a thing?
In Christ,
Alex
P.S. Telling the truth does not change the fact that you are a liar (when you've lied). You have to overcome in Christ to finally do away with that part of the old man and all parts of the old man for that matter.
rick:
Hi Alex,
Yes Alex, that’s what I was asking you. Do you believe that people never tell the truth ? We live in a system that is corrupt but truth can always be verified so that we are not left in the dark so to speak.
I’m not saying that a person of higher rank than me cannot lie however what I am saying is when we have many people such as astronauts and aircraft pilots stating what they saw and we have access to the transcripts so we can read exactly what was said then we can reasonably assume they are telling the truth.
In the beginning we take mans word that the bible is the inspired word of God at least I did, meaning, God never spoke to me in an audible voice telling me the bible is His inspired word.
Once there was a time in my life Alex, I believed the ruling class wrote the bible to keep us peasants in line through fear of hell in order for them to not be over run by we peasants.
Today I know better than that, now the life of the apostles played a huge role in my belief in Christ due to the fact that if Christ was nothing more than a hoax, after His death the apostles would have saved their own skin and disperse but they did not, in fact every apostles was crucified except John who gave us through Christ the book of Revelation. What a incredible testimony the apostles gave the whole world.
God has brought me a long way from where I once was, I really do trust Christ for not only my spiritual life here and now but also my physical life too.
So Alex, I came across this scripture Luk 21:11 There will be terrible earthquakes, famines, and plagues everywhere; there will be strange and terrifying things coming from the sky.
I understand what earthquakes are and famine also plagues too, but strange and terrifying things coming from the sky, what is Jesus talking about ? Ray doesn’t believe in aliens and neither do I.
So what is Jesus referring to ? Is it a sin to ask such a thing ? According to this statement Jesus said something is coming out of the sky that is going to be terrifying , I want to know what it is that’s coming from the sky that is not only strange but terrifying . Jesus said that for a reason and I have no intention of hiding my head in the sand when it comes to anything God says.
You know Alex, if Ray never questioned what Christendom taught him or what this scripture or that scripture means most of us would still be in the dark, we should all be thankful Ray questioned everything.
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