Hi Alex,
No offence my brother but would you also recite Rom 3: 4 concerning the apostles also who are as Isaiah coined it mere men ? We are to divide the word of God rightly and should not use scripture in an irresponsible way to present any argument.
If your argument is meant to persuade me that all men from the greatest to the least lie constantly without ever telling the truth you have failed to convince me.
I am in the Hvac business and go to peoples homes every day and if my employer should ask me a question about any job or repair I make I tell my employer the truth even if that truth condemns me, I do not twist the truth to suite me but tell the truth.
I assume I’m not the only person who tells the truth Alex,
I'm sorry rick, I'm not sure if I understand you.
Did you ask me if I would apply what I just urged as caution towards men of this world, for all men are liars, to the apostles too?
1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual,
let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you[APOSTLES]; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
John 14:16-18 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth;
whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
1 John 2:14-16 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one. Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
The creation was subject to vanity (moral futility) and without God man cannot do good.
Romans 8:20 For the creature[Gk: Creation] was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity [Deep seated hatred] against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
You don't have to lie constantly to be a liar. You don't have to fornicate constantly to be a fornicator. You don't have to murder constantly to be a murderer. You don't have to sin constantly to be a sinner.
The apostles were being tried and refined by fire. They were being transformed into the image of Christ. The "liar part" was being burned out of them hence why the lake of fire will not have any power over them. The same for all who overcome this world because the lake of fire is for ALL LIARS and then some.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and
all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is
the second death.
Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
The apostles spoke by inspiration of God's spirit. To ask if what they wrote should be approached with the same scrutiny to that of carnal man is to reproach God as well. Its the same spirit that inspired Isaiah.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The apostles and God's chosen have the spirit of God indwelling and not that of the worlds. If you have received this spirit you would receive the words of the apostle too as Christ said. So how can you even ask me such a thing?
In Christ,
Alex
P.S. Telling the truth does not change the fact that you are a liar (when you've lied). You have to overcome in Christ to finally do away with that part of the old man and all parts of the old man for that matter.