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lurquer:
Okay, last time going around the mulberry bush with you...
You DID (inadvertently?) express the following:
You can "marry" a woman and yet she is not your "wife" (Herod/Herodias)
When you quote the scripture which says Herod had "married" his brother's wife. Then you say "she is not his wife".
Two can be "one flesh" but not be "married" (1 Cor. 6)
When you refer to the scripture from Paul, "What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh." Then you deny you have thus "married" yourself to the harlot. One flesh; but not married. Your view.
A man can "illegally marry" another woman in an adulterous affair (Matt 19:9).
When you recognize Christ's words that a person who divorces his wife (without cause--no fornication occurred!), then "MARRIES" another commits adultery. You are saying what I am saying.
As for your original "lust" comments, you must have edited them out because I can't find them now. ::)
Dave in Tenn:
1Co 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
Yes, the mulberry bush is not going to be gone around much longer. What you have, Neo, is an idol of the heart. It is at best 'strife over words'. You want to 'define' what 'getting married' is. You err. You want to define now what 'lust' is. You err. The best you can do against these scriptures others have provided you is to twist THEIR words against them, and misquote the scripture you use to 'support' your contention. No amount of scripture provided is going to move you off your position. And no doubt you are thinking the same thing about Alex and others.
Know what...I can't even support EVERYTHING that's been said in these threads. BUT...I'M NOT HERE TO DO THAT! This forum has a purpose, and it is NOT to allow everybody with a bible to 'preach, teach, or contend'--certainly not unchallenged.
"We" agree on many things even concerning this topic. Sexual sin is serious and wrong. Beyond that, the one (from my chair) who is 'disagreeing' the most is YOU concerning the 'contractual nature' of 'getting married', which is what Ray taught.
I'd hope we also agree that God forgives sinners, but holds people to their vows. One of the heroes of faith listed in Hebrews is there just for that reason. He may well have wished he'd never made it.
I'm going to leave the thread open for an unspecified period of time, but I will lock it soon enough...and I will not allow this 'discussion' to be brought up again. I hope that is understood.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Neo on April 14, 2015, 04:57:24 PM ---Okay, last time going around the mulberry bush with you...
You DID (inadvertently?) express the following:
You can "marry" a woman and yet she is not your "wife" (Herod/Herodias)
When you quote the scripture which says Herod had "married" his brother's wife. Then you say "she is not his wife".
Two can be "one flesh" but not be "married" (1 Cor. 6)
When you refer to the scripture from Paul, "What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh." Then you deny you have thus "married" yourself to the harlot. One flesh; but not married. Your view.
A man can "illegally marry" another woman in an adulterous affair (Matt 19:9).
When you recognize Christ's words that a person who divorces his wife (without cause--no fornication occurred!), then "MARRIES" another commits adultery. You are saying what I am saying.
As for your original "lust" comments, you must have edited them out because I can't find them now. ::)
--- End quote ---
Definitely some serious twisting of scripture here.
You think that just because Herod married her but she was not his wife LAWFULLY that this somehow proves your twisted view that marriage and being married occurs through the act of sexual intercourse? You think John was insinuating that Herod had sex with her? Have you already forgotten what Christ said about lawful marriage?
Matthew 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Matthew 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
There is no indication that Herodias was put away by Philip. In fact, because John still call's her Herod's brother's wife, the wife of Philip, it is clear she was still legally married to THE BROTHER. Therefor Herod's marriage to her was NOT legal regardless of whether Herod went ahead and married her! This is why john by inspiration of God condemned the marriage and why he did not refer to Herodias as Herod's wife but the brother's. She was in God's eyes, LEGALLY, Herod's brother's wife! It has absolutely NOTHING to do with your twisted view on marriage.
I'm sorry but what? 1 Cor 6 say's nothing about being married to the harlot. It says joined to her as in you put your penis inside her and you two become ONE. Another term for that would be FORNICATION. You two are NOT married, you are ONE body and this is a reprehensible assault on the temple of God because you are to be the BODY OF CHRIST. ONE WITH THE LORD.
1 Cor 6 :18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1 Cor 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1 Cor 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Yes a man can ILLEGALLY marry a woman in an adulterous affair but that has NOTHING to do with SEX. That has to do with God NOT recognizing their marriage because the woman is currently MARRIED to ANOTHER man. A man commits adultery when he leaves his wife without a cause because he is still married to her and going and fornicating with your new "wife" is SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE--ADULTERY! What is so difficult in understanding that?
I'm in agreement with Dave that your perverted view on marriage is an idol of the heart. Marriage DOES NOT occur through SEX. There is a reason the BRIDE of Christ is preparing herself for the MARRIAGE which involves a SUPPER. The marriage supper happens AT THE WEDDING CEREMONY!
Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
rick:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on April 12, 2015, 10:47:02 PM ---"What marriage then is, or isn't, has nothing to do with "local customs" or "legally accepted practices", "requirements", or "traditions". It is what God says it is or it is nothing at all."
--- End quote ---
That is the best answer I see in this entire thread, Dave is spot on !
This one thing I will add, Christ says that if a man looks upon a women with lust he has already committed adultery, the days of the physical act to be guilty were over a long time ago.
Be careful how you look upon a women from the time Christ said that til present day.
Dave in Tenn:
It's not mine, Rick, although it IS true that it is what God says it is.
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