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Jesus unveils Our Father
rick:
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--- Quote from: Rick on March 08, 2015, 07:56:16 AM ---Hi George,
We know Christ became obedient through suffering so I’m only assuming by His suffering that His understanding took time.
I believe in all of God’s creation all things start from the ground up so to speak.
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Maybe I'm missing something?
For Christ to 'become' obedient implies He was not obedient at some time.
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Hi Dennis,
I don’t believe Jesus was disobedient as in wrong doing, but learned to obey God through His sufferings on a higher level while being in the flesh as a man I guess.
Heb 5:8 But even though he was God's Son, he learned through his sufferings to be obedient.
(CEV) Jesus is God's own Son, but still he had to suffer before he could learn what it really means to obey God.
(GW) Although Jesus was the Son of God, he learned to be obedient through his sufferings.
rick:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on March 08, 2015, 01:17:33 PM ---Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
IMO, this proves Christ was never disobedient.
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Hi Dennis,
Jesus was already resurrected when Heb 4:15 was written.
cheekie3:
Kat -
Thank you.
I agree that the Scripture you quoted does say it all; and All is through Jesus Christ.
Please let me try and state my 'see' question a little differently.
When we are Resurrected and have our Spiritual Bodies, will we be like Jesus Christ when He was Resurrected?
If yes, will we then be able to 'see' Our Father in the same way Jesus Christ 'sees' Our Father.
Curious George.
Rene:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on March 09, 2015, 03:57:00 AM ---
If yes, will we then be able to 'see' Our Father in the same way Jesus Christ 'sees' Our Father.
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Hi George,
Here are two email replies from Ray on this subject:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,13773.0.html
Jesus said: "When you see me you see THE FATHER." The Father is God. And so Jesus could have just as well said: "When you see Me YOU SEE GOD!" Why not? The "Father" IS God. How can we see God the Father (in the incarnation of Jesus) if the Father is not God? So when we see God, we see the Father (but only through incarnation, seeing that the Father God is INVISIBLE SPIRIT). And since the Father is God, when we see the Father in Christ, we see God in Christ, WE SEE GOD. That may be as close as we ever come to actually seeing God. I will be covering this in more detail if I ever finish my paper: "Solving the Enigma fo God."
God be with you,
Ray
http://bible-truths.com/email17.htm
Jesus Christ and His Father ARE ONE! What does that mean? Has God not given us other examples of how two can be ONE? A husband and wife in union ARE ONE, yet they are individuals. The Son is the VISIBLE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD. That is Scriptural. God manifested HIMSELF to His Creation SONWISE or SONLY. The Son can be seen, the Father CANNOT BE SEEN. John tells us that we will see Jesus AS HE IS. I know of NO Scripture that tells us that we will ever see the Father (do you?). We pray TO the Father IN THE NAME OF Jesus Christ, through the spirit OF God--Both the Father and the Son have the SAME SPIRIT! That the KJV uses the personal pronoun "he" is hardly justification for making the Holy Spirit the third member of triune God.
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: Rick on March 08, 2015, 10:00:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on March 08, 2015, 01:17:33 PM ---Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
IMO, this proves Christ was never disobedient.
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Hi Dennis,
Jesus was already resurrected when Heb 4:15 was written.
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So? Are you saying Jesus continued to be tempted after he was resurrected?
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