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rick:
Wow is all I can say, Christendom taught me that not only is Satan the god of this world but the serpent also owns the earth as well and while reading the precious words of God I found the real truth in the book of ( Exo ) the earth belongs to God.
How about that, guess God’s giving me a spiritual overhaul, His truth is marching on. :) :) :)
Exodus 19:5
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(ASV) Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be mine own possession from among all peoples: for all the earth is mine:
(BBE) If now you will truly give ear to my voice and keep my agreement, you will be my special property out of all the peoples: for all the earth is mine:
(Brenton) And now if ye will indeed hear my voice, and keep my covenant, ye shall be to me a peculiar people above all nations; for the whole earth is mine.
(CEV) Now if you will faithfully obey me, you will be my very own people. The whole world is mine,
(Darby) And now, if ye will hearken to my voice indeed and keep my covenant, then shall ye be my own possession out of all the peoples--for all the earth is mine ;)
lilitalienboi16:
Its interesting you make this post as it comes on the heal of what John said in your other thread. I will share what I did there over here.
Ray made this comment which is where most people get the idea that satan is the god of this world from:
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Somebody ask me if "the god of this world" could possibly be referring to God rather than Satan. I considered it a long time ago, because Satan deceives and God blinds. God blinded them, Satan deceived.
2Cor. 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine upon them.
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I'm inclined to believe that 2 Cor. 4:4 is a reference to God and not satan as ray stated above but I want to see if there is any more scripture that could shed light on this passage? What I mean is, is there another verse that makes the claim of 2 Cor. 4:4 but removes all doubt that "god of this world" is definitely satan? Because I just can't see that, I never believed it honestly and when I first read that in the lake of fire series I pushed past it but I was never completely satisfied or convinced with the idea. At least, I think it was the lake of fire series where ray first uses that idea.
God bless,
Alex
lilitalienboi16:
Let's add some more context to this. The Audio I quoted from was from 2007. This conference took place AFTER ray had completed the lake of fire series. Here is ray (perhaps years before that conference) in his writtings claiming that "god of this world" is a reference to SATAN. Like I said, this never sat well with me even with the case ray makes in that lake of fire paper. Yes, satan has power over the nations as ray says, its how he offered Christ the nations, but I don't agree right now that this makes him the "god of this world." Hence why I want more scripture on this, if there exists another one. Two witnesses!
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Notice that it was the spirit of God that led Jesus to be tempted of the devil. Can we not see that Satan serves a needful purpose in God’s plan? It was absolutely needful that Satan tempt Jesus. If it weren’t needful, God wouldn’t have done it! And so Satan tried to bribe Christ into worshiping him:
"Again, the DEVIL takes Him up into an exceeding high mountain, and shows Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; and says to Him, All these things will I give You, if You will fall down and worship me" "Matt. 4:8-9).
Let’s notice a few things overlooked by most Sunday school teachers (and most of the world’s greatest theologians as well). Ready? Are you sure? Okay, here goes: ALL THE NATIONS OF THE ENTIRE WORLD BELONG TO SATAN THE DEVIL!!! Heaven and Earth are God’s possessions, however, God has delegated the nations to Satan. Satan could not offer all these kingdoms of the world to Jesus if he did not possess them to offer them in the first place. They are Satan’s ignorant kingdoms:
"In whom the god [SATAN] of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the Image of God, should shine unto them" (II Cor. 4:4).
Oh, that the Church would believe the Scriptures. Why are there billions who "believe not" in the world? Is it because they CHOOSE to believe not? That’s what well-intentioned Christians tell me all the time. "Ray! these people CHOOSE to go to hell." How, pray tell, can they "choose" to go to hell, when they "believe NOT" in the first place. They don’t "make a choice," the choice is made for them, because they "believe not." And JUST WHY do they "believe not?"
Will you insist on the Church’s answer or will you humbly accept God’s answer? "In whom the God of this world has BLINDED the minds of them that believe NOT…" That’s why they can’t "see" to make the right choice—THEY ARE BLIND!
Now then, what would happen if God were to REMOVE that Satanic blindness? Would they STILL choose to reject Jesus Christ and His gospel? We don’t need to speculate, let’s read it:
"In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, LEST the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, SHOULD SHINE UNTO THEM" (II Cor. 4:4).
When the deception is taken away, people will understand. When the blindness is taking away, people will see the truth.
Next, notice what Jesus Himself says would happen if this Satanic blindness were removed:
"For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed [Why? Why are their eyes ‘closed?’ Because, "the god of this world has BLINDED… them…" That’s why] lest at ANY TIME they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should BE CONVERTED, and I should HEAL them" (Matt. 13:15).
This is not rocket science. When Satan blinds the minds of people, they "believe NOT." And they cannot repent, be converted, or saved until the blindness is lifted and they are given a knowledge of the Truth. But is it God’s will that such a thing will ever happen?
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savour; Who WILL have all men to be saved [and just how might that come about?], and to come unto the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH" (I Tim. 2:4).
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I believe ray's later perspective on this makes more sense and doesn't change any bit the truths of what he said above aside from the fact that satan doesn't get the title "god of this world." There is only one God.
God bless,
Alex
zvezda:
another translation for 2 Cor. 4:4 -
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
The word is aiṓn, not kosmon. God is the God of all ages, not just this age. I inclined to think satan is the god of this age.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: zvezda on March 22, 2015, 08:37:05 PM ---another translation for 2 Cor. 4:4 -
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
The word is aiṓn, not kosmon. God is the God of all ages, not just this age. I inclined to think satan is the god of this age.
--- End quote ---
Hi Zevda,
That's certainly a possibility. What I see in that too though is that by God being the God of ALL ages, He by definition then is the God of THIS age too. Now perhaps satan is the god of this age as well as God but that seems strange to me. I mean, it could be... I always thought though as ray put it that God blinds but Satan deceives. Not that Satan blinds which is what this verse would be saying if taken that way. It could be though.. satan perhaps could blind too. I guess there is no verse that says he DOESN'T blind is there?
I looked at the greek for this verse as well and the only difference between the two words used as "god" and "God" in this verse is the that god is translated from theos while God is translated from theou. Very similar and I don't know what the difference in the two last greek letters means. Either way, the beginning of both words is identical so i'm it must be that final letter that caused the translators to make one a lower case "g" and the other a upper case "G."
God bless,
Alex
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