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Dave in Tenn:
It's the kind of 'rhetorical' question I try to avoid.  Especially true in this case, because I never go to weddings to which I am not invited.  But let's say I was close enough to one or both parties so that I WAS invited.  I think I would go.  Of course, I don't know that for sure. 

And then that work will be judged, as will anybody's who did not attend, and the ones getting "wedded" too.  I'm very VERY glad that we have a Judge who judges right.  As per usual, I'd take my chances being 'judged' by guys with bibles.  Water off a duck's back, usually.  There is ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM.  I kinda think I know what that means now.  Nobody goes forever without living it.

indianabob:
Folks,
This passage from John 17 helps me to understand how to live in the world.
Perhaps it will be of some help to others.
Indiana Bob
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Jesus Prays for His Disciples

6 “I have revealed you[a] to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. 8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by[c] that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

13 “I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. 14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by[d] the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

Jesus Prays for All Believers
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”

zvezda:

--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on April 02, 2015, 11:32:54 PM --- now im studying to be a doctor so I personally won't have this specific problem and I have no problem treating gay patients

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what if a lesbian couple wanted a child and asked you for medicial advice? Would you treat them the same way as you treat infertile heterosexual couples, knowing that you would help them bring an innocent child to part take their life style?

As for the gay wedding, even if you attend, it doesn't mean you are celebrating. I think it's the same thing as celebrating christmas, going to church, etc. Sometimes you have to go because your family drags you to or for some other reasons. God will judge your heart. I don't think you would celebrate in your heart even if you were attending those events.

1 Samuel 16: 7  ...For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.

dave:
The situation is here, so now those who listen to His guiding must discern the path. Love is the main foundation, we know what the OT has said, also Paul's instruction on this very thing, now we today find it right in our walk. It is a life style within some humans that has been around since Gen. 19 now here we are hearing, "Bring them forth to us, and we will know them."
I feel the more "religion" antagonizes the situation it will only will cause false fire.
I, personally do not understand what I am to do, but Jesus said
Mat 22:37  And Jesus said to him, `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding--
Mat 22:38  this is a first and great command;
Mat 22:39  and the second is like to it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself;

 

lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: zvezda on April 03, 2015, 07:32:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on April 02, 2015, 11:32:54 PM --- now im studying to be a doctor so I personally won't have this specific problem and I have no problem treating gay patients

--- End quote ---

what if a lesbian couple wanted a child and asked you for medicial advice? Would you treat them the same way as you treat infertile heterosexual couples, knowing that you would help them bring an innocent child to part take their life style?

As for the gay wedding, even if you attend, it doesn't mean you are celebrating. I think it's the same thing as celebrating christmas, going to church, etc. Sometimes you have to go because your family drags you to or for some other reasons. God will judge your heart. I don't think you would celebrate in your heart even if you were attending those events.

1 Samuel 16: 7  ...For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.

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Everyone has given truly great replies and I see that there is much to consider in such a matter. I lean towards Jesse's perspective in that all these things of love, AGAPE the world, are true but not void of the rest of God's Word. It is the SUM of the Word that is truth. You can still love your enemies as Christ commanded without celebrating their sins and flaws. Ray talks on love (Agape verse Phileo) in this respect and I think its something we should all take another look at. I see a marriage ceremony as a kind of festival of two people's love. The celebration of two people becoming one by the making of a covenant vow before God and the world.

Dear Zvevda,

If a lesbian couple asked me for medical advice I would have no problem giving it to them. God is able to save even the uttermost. It is not my place to judge what He is doing in the life of one of His own children. He is the potter and has right to do as He see's fit, even if that means that He plans for this lesbian couple to raise a young child. God can bring that child out of babylon just as He has done with those of us here. I have zero issue providing regular services to gay couples, interacting with them, hanging out with them, etc...

I think Jesse summed it up wisely: "There is more to them than sex. I don't mind selling to gay people, buying from them, playing tennis with them, talking sports with them...they are people with a variety of interests, and I don't think I condone homosexuality by playing tennis with a gay man. Invite me to play tennis, and sure, I'll be glad to join. Playing tennis doesn't have anything to do with your sexual preferences. Marrying another man does, and I'd rather not join that party."

Now I know what is rightin my heart and believe God when He says what He says. They may not know or perhaps once did know but turned their backs on the truth. That's not my problem to worry about though. Even so, How then, after knowing the truth, can I attend their marriage ceremony celebrating a behavior that is condemned by God? Could you imagine celebrating any other sin? We are to overcome sin not celebrate it. 

Christmas, easter, etc... are entirely different in my eyes than deliberately celebrating what is clearly condemned as sinful behavior. I don't know if we can point to christmas and say its the celebration of sinful behavior. At least not every christmas is because everyone celebrates it slightly differently. Some may celebrate it with booz and alchohal and sex parties etc... then I would not attend such a christmas celebration but others may celebrate it with reverence and good honest intentions even if they are not scriptural.

The reason I made this thread is because IN MY HEART it seems WRONG to attend a celebration of sinful behavior in the eyes of God. Again, I'm not trying to pick on gay marriage but its what came to my attention and stuck in my mind. Tell me that marriage is not the celebration of a union between two people before man and God and I will try and see how attending this event is not celebrating, rejoicing, commemorating their sinful act.

God bless you all,
Alex

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