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Gina:
Yes, the aim is to follow Jesus in order that our salt will not lose its saltiness.
Lot was separated from Sodom by God. Lot didn't separate himself. But if we are like Lot's WIFE and turn back with longing and yearning for where we come from or for those that have no desire of doing right, we risk becoming PILLARS of salt and of NO EFFECT whatsoever.
Jesus said in Luke 17
32"Remember Lot's wife. 33"Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it [Lot's wife lost her life in her turning back and yearning for the country that God was drawing them out of], and whoever loses his life will preserve it [Lot's life was preserved because he wasn't doing what his wife was doing].
So I'm in tune more so now to God's voice than to my own wishes and my own desires to have a "healthy" relationship with my daughter. I know that my daughter will be saved. I do not need to TURN BACK AND FEEL SORRY FOR HER OR FOR ANY RELATIONSHIP THAT I AM LOSING NOW and risk becoming of NO EFFECT at all. I will most certainly NOT be commended for that. I'm not seeking praise from men/women but from God. Seek ye FIRST (preeminently, first and foremost!) the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all of these things shall be added unto you.
I hope I don't sound preachy. God knows I just love the approval of men and women. Ray said, if you aren't suffering persecution in your daily walk, you're doing it wrong.
So I want to thank God for having been falsely lumped in with Westboro Baptist Church and falsely called religious hypocrite. Now I have assurance that I am on the right track. :)
whyte baer:
"(H)ave we forgotten that it is GOD Himself who binds people in sin, who blinds them to the truth and does NOT give a person a heart or strength to repent UNTIL the appointed time? God must have a purpose for the existence of gays or they would have already repented! "
Thank you for that.
I have been with my friend for 7 years. We spoke of marriage, but I just can't wrap my brain around it.
Homosexuality is not just the sex part. I never chose to be this way, I'm not rebelling against God. The happiest day of my life was the day I was reading about hell on this site, and my brain put all of it together, and I realized God's truth! I was not going to burn forever ( like a lot of people think I should), I had His Grace and Mercy and Forgivenes. I have developed such a love for everyone, I can't even really 'hate' the devil. He is evil and bad, but he is doing exactly what God designed him for. My thoughts have always been to try to help other homosexuals know about God. I don't agree with the ex-gay ministries, they are money-grubbing groups that use guilt and fear for motivation, instead of love and understanding their pain. God CHOSE me in March of 83 in an AOG church in the Philippines. If someone had told me the night before that I was going to go to a church the next day, and get saved (for lack of a better phrase)I would have laughed in their face and bought them another drink. I tried to "go straight" for 20 years. Should I have to be alone for the rest of my life to please "the church"? I don't care about the sex part, I have folks just tell me to live alone and I'll be fine... I don't want to be alone anymore. Isn't 20 years enough time to try before giving up in frustration? I know Paul had his 'thorn'.....but I feel so much of my life was wasted trying to be something I wasn't... I don't hate men , I worked on aircraft around men for over 30 years.... I really don't have the right words to show you what I mean. Everyone automatically calls it sin. I have studied and researched for several years now, and things are taken out of context to prove homosexuality is wrong. I believe how we live our life is what God looks at.
Thank you all for you opinions...
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: whyte baer on April 06, 2015, 02:46:29 PM ---
"(H)ave we forgotten that it is GOD Himself who binds people in sin, who blinds them to the truth and does NOT give a person a heart or strength to repent UNTIL the appointed time? God must have a purpose for the existence of gays or they would have already repented! "
Thank you for that.
I have been with my friend for 7 years. We spoke of marriage, but I just can't wrap my brain around it.
Homosexuality is not just the sex part. I never chose to be this way, I'm not rebelling against God. The happiest day of my life was the day I was reading about hell on this site, and my brain put all of it together, and I realized God's truth! I was not going to burn forever ( like a lot of people think I should), I had His Grace and Mercy and Forgivenes. I have developed such a love for everyone, I can't even really 'hate' the devil. He is evil and bad, but he is doing exactly what God designed him for. My thoughts have always been to try to help other homosexuals know about God. I don't agree with the ex-gay ministries, they are money-grubbing groups that use guilt and fear for motivation, instead of love and understanding their pain. God CHOSE me in March of 83 in an AOG church in the Philippines. If someone had told me the night before that I was going to go to a church the next day, and get saved (for lack of a better phrase)I would have laughed in their face and bought them another drink. I tried to "go straight" for 20 years. Should I have to be alone for the rest of my life to please "the church"? I don't care about the sex part, I have folks just tell me to live alone and I'll be fine... I don't want to be alone anymore. Isn't 20 years enough time to try before giving up in frustration? I know Paul had his 'thorn'.....but I feel so much of my life was wasted trying to be something I wasn't... I don't hate men , I worked on aircraft around men for over 30 years.... I really don't have the right words to show you what I mean. Everyone automatically calls it sin. I have studied and researched for several years now, and things are taken out of context to prove homosexuality is wrong. I believe how we live our life is what God looks at.
Thank you all for you opinions...
--- End quote ---
Just one moment friend. It is one thing to understand that we are all sinners and all have fallen short of the glory of God.
It is another thing to try to rationalize sin and to try to justify it. God sets the bounds for everything in the heavens and earth. He says what is good and evil.
Ray wrote the best article I have found that explains from the Scriptures that homosexuality is a sin, which I have attached below.
Study the truth in that article. You then need to decide if you will accept the truth or reject truth.
http://bible-truths.com/homosex.htm
Gina:
--- Quote from: whyte baer on April 06, 2015, 02:46:29 PM ---
"(H)ave we forgotten that it is GOD Himself who binds people in sin, who blinds them to the truth and does NOT give a person a heart or strength to repent UNTIL the appointed time? God must have a purpose for the existence of gays or they would have already repented! "
Thank you for that.
I have been with my friend for 7 years. We spoke of marriage, but I just can't wrap my brain around it.
Homosexuality is not just the sex part. I never chose to be this way, I'm not rebelling against God. The happiest day of my life was the day I was reading about hell on this site, and my brain put all of it together, and I realized God's truth! I was not going to burn forever ( like a lot of people think I should), I had His Grace and Mercy and Forgivenes. I have developed such a love for everyone, I can't even really 'hate' the devil. He is evil and bad, but he is doing exactly what God designed him for. My thoughts have always been to try to help other homosexuals know about God. I don't agree with the ex-gay ministries, they are money-grubbing groups that use guilt and fear for motivation, instead of love and understanding their pain. God CHOSE me in March of 83 in an AOG church in the Philippines. If someone had told me the night before that I was going to go to a church the next day, and get saved (for lack of a better phrase)I would have laughed in their face and bought them another drink. I tried to "go straight" for 20 years. Should I have to be alone for the rest of my life to please "the church"? I don't care about the sex part, I have folks just tell me to live alone and I'll be fine... I don't want to be alone anymore. Isn't 20 years enough time to try before giving up in frustration? I know Paul had his 'thorn'.....but I feel so much of my life was wasted trying to be something I wasn't... I don't hate men , I worked on aircraft around men for over 30 years.... I really don't have the right words to show you what I mean. Everyone automatically calls it sin. I have studied and researched for several years now, and things are taken out of context to prove homosexuality is wrong. I believe how we live our life is what God looks at.
Thank you all for you opinions...
--- End quote ---
Welcome to the forum whyte baer.
Gays have repented because it does hurt them physically, emotionally, and spiritually.
Yes, how we live our lives is what God looks at, and all our "good works" account for filthy rags if we are relying on them to be righteous in God's eyes. It's sad how you can say that God binds people in sin and gays would have repented IF God didn't have a purpose for them.
So what? Are you saying the reason Satan is still doing his deceitful works and hasn't repented is because he's not doing anything wrong? God has a purpose for the crooked serpent Satan too, but that doesn't make what he's doing right. Jesus came to UNDO the works of the devil.
But that's not what this thread is about. It's about attending a gay wedding, hypothetically. And if even you can't wrap your brain around gay marriage ....................... You're not making much sense to me.
Just because you feel that much of your life was wasted trying to be something you aren't, does not make what you're attempting to be WRONG. I have tried for close to 40 years to quit smoking cigarettes. Should I just give up and stop praying that God will take this from me, simply because I don't have the strength to give it up? Do I now call smoking cigarettes a GOOD thing to do? Do I sigh and whine and say, Gosh, if I didn't have a purpose for smoking I know I would have repented by now? I don't CARE that people shun me for being a smoker. That is their right. They have every right to shun a smoker. They don't want that around themselves. Some can't stomach the smell of it. So what do I do? Go and seek out a non-smoking forum and proceed to give them all the ridiculous explanations and "research" from "teachers" I have heaped to myself in an attempt to convince them (but more likely myself?) as to WHY I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG by smoking cigarettes? How much patience do you think those forum members should have for me and my psycho-babble? A lot, I'll bet!
What you're doing here and the things you're saying are wrong because as you said, God blinds people and binds them to sin and when people are steeped in their sin and pleasures, they can't see their sin. You're simply in a state of blindness. It's not that you don't want to see your sin, you SIMPLY CANNOT. And just as you said, until God lifts the blinders, only then will you be able to SEE and agree and acknowledge that what you are doing is wrong. You might not have be given the grace or the power yet to do anything to change it at the present, but God definitely has a reason for the likes of both you and me to be here.
Keep reading Ray's materials. There's definitely a reason why you're here. Nobody's here by accident.
octoberose:
whyte bear, I'm glad you are here. I'm glad you spoke up. I hope you don't mind if I respond.
Ray and Dennis did not start this forum (Dennis, you can correct me here) in order to give everyone a 'get out of jail free' card. The point was not that since there's no hell and God is sovereign and He decides who to draw and who to blind, that we can live according to our own desires.
Romans 6- "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We who have died to sin, how can we live in it any longer?...v6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
And then the chapter goes on v. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
This is directed to All of us, all of us are being told not to let sin reign in our mortal bodies and not to obey its evil desires. Everyone of us. We all are being told to offer ourselves to God . That means the guy with the computer and the pornography, that means the woman who is flirting with a neighbor because her husband isn't paying attention to her, and it also means those of us who have an issue with food (gluttony is sin) or drugs or alcohol. I could go on and on.
Stay on this forum, talk when you want to, challenge yourself and your beliefs. Sometimes that gets uncomfortable- at least it is for me.
Yes, you are right that how we live out our lives is what God looks at. I could say that God sees the heart when others don't but the fact is that " the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt, who can understand it?"
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