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octoberose:
I guess I think the value in knowing end times is that we are to know what these things are. What's the verse about  "if it were possible to deceive the very elect? " Well, if we don't know what is to come and what is to be, than it's easier to be deceived.
Ray had to have been thinking along these lines when he wrote about the Towers falling. It seemed to him things were falling into place in a way he had never seen before  (I'm guessing).
 

Kat:

--- Quote from: octoberose on April 23, 2015, 12:36:48 AM ---I guess I think the value in knowing end times is that we are to know what these things are. What's the verse about  "if it were possible to deceive the very elect? " Well, if we don't know what is to come and what is to be, than it's easier to be deceived.
Ray had to have been thinking along these lines when he wrote about the Towers falling. It seemed to him things were falling into place in a way he had never seen before  (I'm guessing).
--- End quote ---

Here's a few Scripture from Christ that I have found to help me.

Mat 24:37  For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
v. 38  For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark,
v. 39  and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

1Th 5:1  But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you.
v. 2  For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.
v. 3  For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.
v. 4  But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
v. 5  You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
v. 6  Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.
v. 7  For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night.

Christ will return as a thief in the night or without warning, so we should watch and be ready and how do we do that? Not by worrying about what is happening in the world, Paul told us how to be ready.

1Thess 5:8  But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

lilitalienboi16:
It certainly sounds to me like the elect will not be caught off guard from the scriptures I can recall. I said before that the christian world is awaiting "THE great tribulation" where they will be "raptured" away. They are expecting a man to sit on a physical throne in literal isreal and declare himself the creator of the universe and at this the whole world will be fooled and worship him. They are awaiting the literal bar codes on the forehead or hand as the mark of the beast not realizing that it is man himself that is the beast.

However, we know that Christ can return at any moment and so we don't await an end time scenario like described in the T.V. series "Left behind." For this reason, because we are always watching, we can't be caught off guard, well at least as long as God upholds us. God can and will keep us.

It's hard to watch all the chaos in the world right now and not think that Christ's return is very near. How long can this continue? But then again paul say's in Thessolonians that they will declare "safety and peace" and THNE sudden destruction. Certainly we can't declare that right now... it's madness out there! Then again.. how much more mad was this world when it was all at war? Think about those living through world war II and what they must have thought. Surely Christ was returning now they must have said! Yet here we are.

And yet... I think there is a lot to the fig tree and her leaves being put forth. Ray was not inspired to right his paper without good reason, at least I have a hard time believing that he was not inspired by God to do it.

God bless,
Alex

Dave in Tenn:
Take this for what it is worth.

The 'conflict' that most troubles the world right now is not simply 'nations shall rise against nations'.  Though the US (and the west in general) can't seem to get out of that mindset.  The 'conflict' is religious.  And that's (to my mind) a tie-in to the passage in Matthew 24. 

It's scary what ISIL actually believes.  They are not looking for an earthly 'victory'.  Indeed, in their own interpretation, they are sure to be (almost) defeated, and this is what will bring about 'the end of the world' and the coming of the messiah.  It's as if Jim Jones were setting up a 'state' expecting all his followers to be killed.

I'm going out on a limb here, I know...but Jesus said "love your enemies"..."do good to them that persecute you".  If ISIL's faith is that their 'war' will bring about the 'end-times' by dragging in the whole world against them and almost defeating them, then 'we' may be playing into their hands.  IF 'we' could find a way to obey Jesus, then their prophecy will wither on the vine.

I'm not sure this is possible, however.  But if things get much worse in this religious 'strife', I can imagine the world having quite enough to do with religion.  Then (throwing the baby out with the bathwater) and without the spirit of God, it too will be shaken to it's foundations.  Then 'will He find faith on the earth?'

Anyway...just my thoughts about this very strange 'day' we find ourselves in.   

Dave in Tenn:
1Jn_2:18  Little children, it is a last hour, and as you heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have risen up, from which you know that it is a last hour.
 
1Jn_2:22  Who is the liar, except the one denying, saying that Jesus is not the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one denying the Father and the Son.
 
1Jn_4:3  And every spirit which does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not from God; and this is the antichrist which you heard is coming, and now is already in the world.
 
2Jn_1:7  Because many deceivers went out into the world, those not confessing Jesus Christ to have come in the flesh, this is the deceiver and the antichrist.

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