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lauriellen:
Can someone point me to any place Ray may have discussed these scriptures and what is meant by things/creatures/man UNDER the earth? I am not understanding how this could be talking about dead humans bowing/speaking? The Strongs definition isn't making it much clearer for me either (kat-akh-thon'-ee-os From G2596 and χθών chthōn (the ground); subterranean, that is, infernal (belonging to the world of departed spirits): - under the earth.)
Php_2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things UNDER the earth;
Rev_5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither UNDER the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev_5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and UNDER the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Thank you =)
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: lauriellen on April 26, 2015, 09:12:08 PM ---Can someone point me to any place Ray may have discussed these scriptures and what is meant by things/creatures/man UNDER the earth? I am not understanding how this could be talking about dead humans bowing/speaking? The Strongs definition isn't making it much clearer for me either (kat-akh-thon'-ee-os From G2596 and χθών chthōn (the ground); subterranean, that is, infernal (belonging to the world of departed spirits): - under the earth.)
Php_2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things UNDER the earth;
Rev_5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither UNDER the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev_5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and UNDER the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Thank you =)
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Hi lauriellen,
I know you want what ray may have said on this subject but I currently cannot think of any place where he spoke this specifically.
My personal opinion, and I have not studied this extensively by any means, is that this is the same group of beings that are trapped in darkness and chains.
2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Rev_20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Rev_9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev_9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev_9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Rev_11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev_17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
I found these verses also that talk about "under the earth" atleast as it is in the KJV and thought they may be of help.
Exo_20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Psa_135:6 Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.
Psa_95:4 In his hand are the deep places of the earth: the strength of the hills is his also.
Anyway, I know its not much but I think its related to these angels in chain and those in the pit of darkness. The destroyer that comes out of hte pit, im thinking that has to be the waster that God created to destroy (From Isaiah) which is satan (deliver such a one unto satan for the destruction of the flesh). His coming out of the pit blocks the sun (God's light) from shinning in the lives of men?
Welp just some random thoughts, God willing someone else has more to add or perhaps knows where ray talked about things under the earth. It could be spiritual too... seeing as the church is earth and satan has his throne IN the earth?
God bless,
Alex
Mike Gagne:
Hi Lauriellen. every creature in Heaven ( the elect ), and on the earth ( the called ) and under the earth ( the uncalled ). LRay talks about this somewhere in the lake of fire series. He puts it in order. I think its in # 13 who is the beast. Anyhow have to run, read that and you should find what your looking for. Have a blessed day!
Kat:
Hi lauriellen,
Though Ray referenced the Scripture that mentions those "under the earth" many times, he did not discuss specifically what was meant by the "under"... but in one single email I did find a clear mention of what this is speaking of.
http://bible-truths.com/email10.htm ---------------------
God intends for ALL OF HIS CHILDREN to live ETERNALLY WITH HIM IN GLORY. When and how is this accomplished according to the Scriptures?
It is true that ALL WILL BE SAVED (I Tim. 2:4 and 4:10 and a hundred other verses like this). However, NOT ALL are saved at the same time. Only those in the FIRST RESURRECTION will inherit the Kingdom of God on earth to reign with Christ. ONLY the "very ELECT." ONLY those who "OVERCOME." ONLY the "manifested SONS OF GOD."
Eternity in heaven is NOT the "REWARD" of the saved. EVERYONE will eventually be in the realm of heaven with God for eternity. But ONLY those who are accounted worthy to be in the first resurrection will receive a SPECIAL MARVELOUS GLORIOUS REWARD. And what is that glorious reward: "EONIAN [AGE-ABIDING] LIFE, in the KINGDOM OF GOD, ruling and reigning with Christ's for "aions of the aions" until ALL in the heavens and ALL in the earth, and ALL under the earth [the deceased] are ALSO BROUGHT IN GOD'S FAMILY! It is a special reward to occurs AGES before the rest of humanity receive salvation. This reward is all through the New Testament, but few indeed, seem to see it.
What then happens to the "life" of all those who were given "aionion life." Do they DIE? Does their life come to AN END? Just what comes to an end, in THE END? Why, the "AIONS" [THE AGES], of course, come to an end. Do the Saints of the first resurrection then DIE WITH THE AGES? NO!! How so? If the "aions" END, and "aionion life" ENDS, why does not the life of the resurrected Saints ALSO END? Because God gave them IMMORTALITY AND INCORRUPTION FROM THE BEGINNING OF THEIR RESURRECTION, AND THEY STILL HAVE AND POSSES IT!
"Aionion" life, age-abiding life, the special reward part of the Saints life, ENDS--BUT IMMORTALITY AND INCORRUPTION DOES NOT END. Immortal life can NEVER END BECAUSE IMMORTALITY MEANS: DEATH=LESS=NESS--never to DIE! But in the SECOND resurrection ALL HUMANITY IS GIVEN IMMORTALITY. And it is the very judgment of the white throne and the spiritual, divine, cleaning of God's
SPIRITUAL lake of fire than purifies all the wicked and unbelievers, until they ALL bow to the name of Jesus and call Him Lord and Saviour to the Glory of the Father (Phil.2:10-11).
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So now we can understand this is speaking of the dead, those buried under the ground/earth. And that make sense in that for "all" to be brought into the kingdom and for "every knee" to be able to bow before Christ Jesus, those that have died and are in/under the grave/earth would have to be resurrected back to life to do so.
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things UNDER the earth;
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lilitalienboi16:
I would have thought the dead fell into the catagory of those on/ in the earth but not under it. However, it does make sense to consider these the deceased so completely possible and reasonaable in my opinion. Thanks for finding that kat!
Peter also says the angels were cast down into the grave so I guess I wasn't TOO far off! ;)
2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell[HADES - THE GRAVE], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
God bless,
Alex
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