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Kat:

--- Quote from: Michael G on April 28, 2015, 07:28:41 AM ---Hi Lauriellen, these scripture all require some actions from those mentioned... heres those scriptures you quoted:

Php_2:10  That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things UNDER the earth;

Rev_5:3  And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither UNDER the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
 
Rev_5:13  And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and UNDER the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

 I would say they would all have to be alive to perform these actions! Have a nice day everyone.
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Michael, at the time that all of those Scripture were spoken, those that are "under the earth" were not alive, not at the time Paul spoke those words. Yes they all will be resurrected back to life and will bow/worship Christ eventually, but that is in the future from when this is spoken. So at that time and they still are "under the earth," buried in the grave.

Also in Revelation 5 it even includes those "in the sea," as Ray said that is not speaking of sea creatures, but people that have died at sea or been buried at sea (some cultures have done that), they are not under the earth, but had a watery grave.

Rev 20:13  The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.


--- Quote ---As I see what LRay is saying is that there is those who know Christ/Chosen and those with some spiritual understanding/called and those with no spiritual understanding/uncalled... Heaven/Elect   on the earth/called   under the earth/uncalled, the sea of humanity..
Now could we agree that the sea of humanity is uncalled?
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Here is what Ray said.

"There are three realms of humanity and three realms of spiritual understanding. The lowest of all is the sea. Those with at least some spiritual understanding are those who dwell in the earth. And those who have the very mind of Christ are those who dwell in heaven. ALL REALMS will give honor and glory to God:"

Those that have no spiritual understanding are "the lowest"... "is the sea," not under the earth. When you say those under the earth are the 'uncalled,' you are including the chosen that have died and are still waiting resurrection and still in the grave or under the earth.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Joel:
There are dead people physically, and spiritually in the sea, live people make money from the various waters of the earth, in fishing, and trade.  see Revelations 18:17-19.

Jesus told Simon, and Andrew, actual fisherman in ships that if they followed him they would become fishers of men. Mark 1:17 (sea of humanity)

Men are made from the dust of the earth, alive on the earth, some are dead and buried in the earth.

Isaiah 40:22 speaks of "The circle of the Earth", so from a scriptural point of view the earth was always round, long before mankind knew this for sure.
We have what is referred to today as "The land down under" the parts of the circle of the earth in the southern hemisphere that includes Australia, and New Zealand.

There are those that are either alive, or dead spiritually, of the earth, in the earth, and under the earth.

God is good at covering all the bases.

Joel

John from Kentucky:
I'm over the hill trying not to be buried under it.   :D

lauriellen:
Thanks again, I think I have a much better understanding because of all of your comments. When you think of the heavens, earth, sea and under the earth as 'realms' or 'classes' of people instead of a physical place it makes much more sense. thanks again. =)

Mike Gagne:
Hi John...

--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on April 29, 2015, 11:49:32 AM ---I'm over the hill trying not to be buried under it.   :D

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  :D 8)

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