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All from Adam and Noah?
octoberose:
Didn't we have a discussion not that long ago speculating that there are people who were not descended from Adam (so not related to Noah)? I'm looking for it but can't put my finger on it.
lilitalienboi16:
Hi Rose,
I mentioned this idea in a post here http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,16077.0.html reply #10. Kat added by citing ray's comments on the matter in reply #12.
There was another more indepth discussion about it of which I remember myself, kat, dave and another forum member engaging in the idea but the thread was either deleted or moved to private mod area because dave felt we were going into territory that ray did not cover.
Here is another place ray briefly covers this (different reply than kat's link in the other thread).
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RAY'S COMMENT: Chapter two does not contradict chapter one. The order in chapter one is plants, animals, and then humanity. Is this not the order found in the geologic table? Chapter two does not recount the creation of humanity, but rather the creation of Adam and Eve. In Genesis 1:26 God "made" [Heb: 'asah'] male and female. In Gen. 2:6 God "formed" [Heb: 'yatsar'] Adam--two difference Hebrew words: two different formations. Notice that it doesn't say in chapter 2 verse 3 that there was no man on earth at this time, but rather that there was "no man to till the ground." There were men, but they were hunters/gatherers, not farmers. God is now going to make a more advance human to cultivate and farm the land.
The phrase "dress it and keep it" in verse 15, is "tend and cultivate." God is teaching Adam to be a farmer. When in doubt, read a proper translation. God did not create the animals AFTER He created Adam. Notice a proper translation from the Concordant Literal Old Testament: "And furthermore, Ieu Alueim ['the Lord God'] HAVING FORMED [yes, having ALREADY formed, millions of years in the past] all field life and every flyer of the heavens." God is bringing to Adam the Animal species which He had already created millions of years in the past, to have Adam give names to them. This obviously took years. Some, such as the dinosaurs (the reptilian 'tannyin, tannyim,' of Gen. 1:21 had already been extinct for many millions of years. These were decidedly not, "great whales," as the King James erroneously translates it).
It was from this first group of humanity that Cain apparently got his wife, cities were built, etc.
Chapter two does not cover the creation of plant life. That began hundreds of millions of years earlier. What God is doing in Chapter two is He is planting a garden for the man to cultivate, farm, and harvest. The word "planted" in Gen. 2:8 is from the Hebrew meaning "to sprout." God "sprouted" newly planted trees, etc. They were mere buds, which would require years to produce fruit to eat. What was Adam expected to eat until these trees matured?
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The thread took place back in January/February of this year and I believe it was rck's thread about the "nephelem/giants" which we tried to point out was a bad translation of the phrase. You might be able to convince dave to bring the thread out of hiding so you can take a look inside it again but otherwise its gone. Well, maybe it's not gone but I can't find it anywhere.
God bless,
Alex
Dave in Tenn:
There's nothing in that thread that answers the question that can't be brought out again from Ray's teaching. No need to 'bring it back' for that.
Dave in Tenn:
Octoberrose, Ray taught that there were 'mankind' before Adam. He taught as well that Cain's wife was 'likely' from these other peoples. He also taught that the flood was regional and did not wipe out every living thing over the entire face of the planet. The 'problem' with your question is that it assumes that Noah was distinctly and only descended from Adam through Seth. Since there is no mention of who the 'mothers' were, this can't be proven (and can't be dis-proven either, I reckon). It can't be proven as well that some of those who died from the flood might not also have been descended from Adam through Seth. Scripture says what it says, but it doesn't tell us everything.
octoberose:
Thank you for finding that for me. Now my question:
One of our verses for the reconciliation of all is I Corinthians 15:22, "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive."
We teach that the All who die in Adam is the same as the All who will Live in Christ. So, does that not mean that all of redeemed mankind have to be 'in Adam' as in related to Adam?
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