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rick:
I had purchased the Lake of fire book by Ray from Lulu awhile back as a gift to my friends that go to church every Sunday and are always talking about God.

Its been at least six months since I had purchased the book for my friends and I would speak to them about the things Ray was teaching from scripture and our conversations were positive at least it seemed to be.

After dinning out with my girlfriend last night we had stopped over our friends home and were conversing about many things concerning Ray’s writings and my friends had indicated that Ray’s writings were leading me and anyone else who believed what Ray was saying down the wrong road .

They maintain that eternal damnation is real and that hell does exist , I’m not sure if my approach to help them with their understanding was the way to go but I had said to my friends in a loving way that God is calling out for Himself a people here and now and those He is calling are His elect and the number of God’s elect is 144,000 now there are six billion people on planet earth today alone not to mention all the other generations before us, I asked them if they believed a loving God who knows the ends from the beginning would inflict such pain and torment on helpless creatures as ourselves knowing so many would not be saved and more over how can one hold up the scriptures in one hand and say I have good news for you but in the other hand say there is a hell you will go to if you don’t submit to the laws of God not because you don’t want to but because you can’t of your own power.


Its incredible to me that scriptures like ( when His judgements are in the earth then the inhabitants shall learn righteousness ) or ( Jesus, savior of the world especially of those who believe ) and many other scriptures mean nothing when it comes to eternal damnation and a place called hell.

Only God can remove the blindness of His own creation, I know there will come a time when God will vindicate His good name and until then I guess we need to have patience with those who walk in darkness of His truths.

God will bless us all in His time, until then most of us remain cursed until the savior comes into our lives.

lilitalienboi16:
Why are you trying to change peoples minds? Cast not your pearl before the swine. What God has planned will be. Everyman will be saved in his own order.

Its like Christ said;

John 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
John 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, WHAT IS THAT TO THEE? follow thou me.

Matthew 8:22 But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead."

I say all this with love.

God bless,
Alex

rick:
Hi Alex,

You ask a valid question, why do I try to change peoples minds ?  Answer, I don’t, remember these are good friends of mine, they have a deep belief in God !

What I have done was nothing more than put the truth in front of them, the rest is up to God not me or even them but of God, would you agree with that statement ?

I know Christ said don’t cast your pearls before swine’s before He commissioned the apostles to go out and preach the kingdom of God to all the nations.

What constitutes a swine in God’s judgement ? How does one preach the kingdom of God to all the nations and exclude the swine’s in the process?   Except they hear the word of God how can they believe and if no one is sent how can they hear, no wonder scripture says how beautiful are the feet of those who preach the kingdom of God.

There are some who say why try! Why bother its just a waste of time , but I for one am thankful Christ didn’t say why try, why bother.   

Dennis Vogel:
Here's what I say:

"So you believe there are billions and billions of people under our feet right now, in horrible excruciating pain, being burned with real fire that will never end for trillions and trillions of years?"

They will usually tell you "well, not really, but it's something bad ... " because they have never really thought about it.

None of us cannot save anyone from anything. We all believe what God has predetermined we will believe. Just be grateful you know what you know. It's just not their time yet.

indianabob:
Rick,

Your's is a tough position to be in. Especially with good friends and or relatives.
I agree with the counsel given by Dennis. I know from my own experience that we are not helping our friends by giving them knowledge that they cannot digest. It is more important to use the knowledge that we have and the spiritual understanding we have been gifted with to continue being a good and loving example. This can be done without even mentioning our own beliefs and the understanding we have learned via God's spirit; but it is hard, especially when we are sure that our friends are just as or even more intelligent than we are and could easily understand IF they only heard the right teaching.
Wrong Kemosabe! They have been blinded and cannot grasp what God has hidden from them.
Maybe we could consider that God sets the time table AND God wants each of us to honor His timetable and not try to subvert it for our own "valid seeming" reasons.... ::)

When the apostles were sent out to teach the dispersed Jews, they were admonished to visit each little town and teach the gospel and when they were rejected by the local inhabitants they were to shake the dust of that city from their feet and leave...

Matthew 10:12-14
Mark 6:11
Luke 9:5

Please also notice that this command was given to Jews who were visiting the houses of other Jews who were expected to welcome them and even feed them during the visit.


7 He summoned the Twelve and began to send them out two by two and gave them authority over unclean spirits. 8 He instructed them to take nothing for the journey but a walking stick—no food, no sack, no money in their belts. 9 They were, however, to wear sandals but not a second tunic. 10 He said to them, “Wherever you enter a house, stay there until you leave from there. 11 Whatever place does not welcome you or listen to you, leave there and shake the dust off your feet in testimony against them.” 12 So they went off and preached repentance. 13 They drove out many demons, and they anointed with oil many who were sick and cured them.

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