I keep on telling you that you have to pay attention to all the words but you deliberately ignoring my suggestion. Anyways i am not surprised because even there are scriptures that back up to what i say, if like me babes who will tell you would not believe either.
There is a big difference between merely a Man and Man at the same time God. I did not say that Jesus will be a Man forever but i do say that Jesus will be a Man and God forever......I told you once again to carefully pay attention to all the words.
Reference that Jesus will be Man and at the same time God......Still more but it is too many to mention.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Luke 24:39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Act 2:31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 17:31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Act 7:56 and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God
Rev. 1:13and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest
Rev. 14:14And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Psalm 45:5-7
5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.
6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
When this God has a God in Psalm..........
therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
God anointed that God above thy fellows....that is very clear....and who is his fellows? another fellows God, oh come on!
When God in the Old Testament is the only God.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me. Isa 43:10
I, even I, am the LORD,
And besides Me there is no savior. Isa 43:11
...I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God. Isa 44:6
...Is there a God besides Me?
Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one. Isa 44:8
...I am the LORD, Who makes all things,
Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself. Isa 44:24
I am the LORD, and there is no other;
There is no God besides Me. Isa 45:5
That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other. Isa 45:6
I am the LORD, and there is no other. Isa 45:18
And there is no God besides Me,
A just God and a Savior;
There is none besides Me. Isa 45:21
For I am God, and there is no other. Isa 45:22
Hi Santa,
It is clear now to me that you don't agree with the scriptures nor ray. You want to throw out the new testatement references to Christ having a God, even His own words AFTER He was resurrected (not in the flesh but with a spiritual body) to maintain your own unscriptural idea. Mind you these come from Paul who was inspired by God and had far greater understanding of the old testatement than perhaps any of us here.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Colossians 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
Here is Peter re-stating the same thing:
1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Lastly from our Lord and Saviour Himself:
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
You can redicule the perspective I gave you all you want on Psalms but it is verified in another witness under the inspiration of God's spirit. Here it is again:
Hebrews 1:6-10
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he [The Father] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God [the 'SON' in previous verse-- The 'O God'], even thy God [the 'He saith'--The Father], hath anointed thee ["a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom"] with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
There is no contradiction with this and what Isaiah said. I'm pretty sure the apostles would have been the first to point it out, especially paul and the author of hebrews. There is only one God. Jesus having a God does not make two Gods, I can't make you see that.
You're missusing scripture. I hope you're not saying Luke 24:39 is proof that Jesus is not spirit but flesh and blood man? Is that what Acts 2:31 proves too?
Paul assures us Christ was raised with a spiritual body. Do you think that maybe in trying to allay the fears of the apostles that Jesus appeared with his human body, to feel His wounds, to certify that this was really Him back from the dead? Do you think that maybe as SPIRIT, Jesus can take on any form He likes, including appearing as a man? How about a burning bush? Did you ever think that Acts 2:31 was talking about the fact that He was raised after a day and a half of being in the grave and so His body had not yet started to rot, to see corruption? The argument of which was being used to prove that the verse could not possibly be a reference to david for those skeptics because david is still dead and his body rotting.
1 Corinthians 15:42-45King James Version (KJV)
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body;
it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the
last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that
it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Jesus is raised a life giving spirit and not as a man with flesh and blood. He has a glorified spiritual body.
John 3:4-8
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the
flesh is flesh; and that
which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth:
so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Jesus is invisible and powerful like the wind--He is spirit and not flesh and blood man. He is seated at the right hand of the Father in the kingdom. Flesh and blood cannot inherit.
As for Jesus being a "man and God forever." When you say that, you are still saying He is a man forever too, nevermind the God part. Regardless, there is no scripture that says He is a man forever or "Man and God" forever. Even the verses you quoted do not say that. They use the word "likeness" which means similarity to but not actually the same. Some of your verses reference His existance as a man, His experience in the flesh, and others His LIKENESS to being a man AFTER His resurrection.
Your timothy verse and hebrews go hand in hand. This is talking about the mediation between God and men and not Jesus' eternal condition after His life in the flesh.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Hebrews 2:14-18
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood,
he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him
to be made like unto his brethren ['THE MAN' of Tim 2:5], that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Hebrews 4:14-16
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Jesus will forever have His experience in the flesh as a man to allow Him to be a Faithful High Priest who can relate to our experiences and make intercession for us on our behalf. Timothy 2:5 has nothing to do with Jesus' current glorified position but rather His ability as a mediator between man and God through that experience of having lived as a man.
Until you can acknowledge that Jesus Christ (the God of the old testament) has a God, this discussion is over. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. No verse is at all becoming its own interpretation. I have interepreted Psalms with Hebrews which are direct matches. I have given you numerous witnesses. Yet you persist.
God be with you,
Alex