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Dave in Tenn:
Ray wrote: When we understand what God wants, we will I believe understand Who and What God IS.
What is that God wants?
cheekie3:
Dave in Tenn -
Is not Our Heavenly Father Life itself - and perfect in all He is and does without any faults.
Does not Our Heavenly Father want lots and lots of children - each one unique like precious stones and perfect like Him.
Does He not dwell in Light in absolute Love.
What is the answer then?
That He is perfect and He will reproduce Himself by having many perfect and unique children who are in His Image.
Curious George.
santgem:
--- Quote from: Geoff on June 17, 2015, 08:55:34 PM ---But in my last post, I realise that Ray didn't mean a "Man" as in "flesh and blood". As jesus is so are we in this world, does that make me something other than a man or does it mean i am still "flesh and blood" but with the down payment of his "Spirit". I believe the latter. When Jesus was on this earth he was definitely "flesh and blood", but there was a difference, he had the fullness of God dwelling within him.
I didn't think that Ray meant that "Jesus will always be a man" as in "flesh and blood". I know what he meant and i believe i understand it. It's a bit hard for me to put it on paper. So I won't. But I will say that Jesus is the first of many. He is Pre Eminent. Therefore when he comes we will all change and be like him. So does that mean i will no longer be a "Man". In a sense i will still be a "Man" but no longer "flesh and blood".
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To the Gentleman,
Greetings!
But in my last post, I realise that Ray didn't mean a "Man" as in "flesh and blood"
When Jesus was on this earth he was definitely "flesh and blood"
I didn't think that Ray meant that "Jesus will always be a man" as in "flesh and blood". I know what he meant and i believe i understand it. It's a bit hard for me to put it on paper. So I won't. But I will say that Jesus is the first of many. He is Pre Eminent. Therefore when he comes we will all change and be like him. So does that mean i will no longer be a "Man". In a sense i will still be a "Man" but no longer "flesh and blood".
We all know very well that when Jesus was resurrected by the Father He was no longer as "flesh and blood" but with glorious body.
The real problem is is when i say that "Jesus will always be a man" someone will find it and make a way to inject that a man is having a flesh and blood and flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. I have a hard time understanding these people why and why they are comparing the precious blood of Jesus to human like us. I believe that even Jesus will retain His precious blood He will definitely inherit the Kingdom of God because His blood is precious and His blood (1 Peter 1:19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect) is without blemish or defect.
Precious blood of Jesus:
. The Blood of Christ provides a suitable covering for man's sin, guilt and shame. Genesis 3:21.
2. The Blood of Christ makes the one who offers it both acceptable to and accepted by God. Genesis 4:1-6.
3. Through the offering of the Blood of Christ, (we believers) have safety from the coming Judgment. Exodus 12:13.
4. The Blood of Christ was shed for the remission of our sins. Matthew 26:28; Ephesians 1:7.
5. Through the Blood of Christ, we have cleansing from sin. Revelation 1:5; 7:14.
6. Through the Blood of Christ we have redemption; this is, we are bought back out of the slave market. Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14; I Peter 1:18-19.
7. Through the Blood of Christ we have peace with God. Colossians 1:20; Ephesians 2:14.
8. Through the Blood of Christ we who are "afar off" are "made nigh". Ephesians 2:13
9. Through the Blood of Christ, the guilt and condemnation we incurred, through the breaking of God's laws, is "blotted out". Colossians 2:13.
10. The Blood of Christ, called the Blood of God, bought us for God and Christ, and made us His own peculiar possession. Acts 20:28; I Corinthians 6:19; and I Peter 2:9-10.
11. The Blood of Christ purges our conscience so that our service to the Living God might be acceptable. Hebrews 9:14.
12. The Blood of Christ gives us an exalted standing, and makes us "kings and priests unto God". Rev. 1:5-6; 5:9-10.
13. Through the Blood of Christ we are justified before God. Romans 5:9.
14. Through the Blood of Christ we are sanctified. I Corinthians 6:11; Hebrews 10:14; 13:12.
15. Through the Blood of Christ we have eternal security and the assurance of salvation. Hebrews 10:10-14; 13:20; 9:12.
16. Through the Blood of Christ we are made "one" with all others believers-both Jews and Gentiles-in the new body of Christ. Ephesians 2:13-14.
17. Through the Blood of Christ we are reconciled-made right or righteous with God. II Corinthians 17-21.
18. Through the Blood of Christ we can enter into "the Holy of Holies", that is, into God's presence in heaven. Hebrews 10:19-22.
19. Through the Blood of Christ we have fellowship with God, and with His Son Jesus Christ, and with other believers. I John 1:7; 1:1-3.
20. Through the Blood of Christ He purchased for us "an eternal inheritance". Hebrews 9:14-15.
21. Through the Blood of Christ we have overcome the Devil. Revelation 12:11.
Again, i will state and firm in my belief that Jesus will always be a man and God at the same time.
Thank you the gentleman Geoff that you secured my belief and very very very happy and really leaping with joy when you pull up what Ray had said.
santgem:
--- Quote from: Kat on June 17, 2015, 09:06:00 AM ---Santegem,
--- Quote ---They are not literally one! Jesus is not the Father himself. Jesus is having the flesh. Jesus is God and Man at the same time, while Father is Spirit. Jesus is now having a God and Father while in the flesh and even after his resurrection. When Jesus is in the form of Jehovah, they are one!
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John 10:30 I and My Father are one."
Jesus declared this as an absolute statement of truth, it cannot be construed to mean just while He was in the flesh. Being as One is what gives Father and Son the quality of God. The Father and the Son are always One, from the time He came forth (there was no Son before He was brought forth), until now and always will be. Humans will be sons/daughters of God as well, when they are resurrected to be One with them... that is the God family, that is being One to be united with the Father through Christ.
John 17:21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
v. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
v. 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
--- Quote ---The question is, Is infant Jesus still creating? Where do all the people comes from when Jesus is still infant? Who creates people? Do people create people? Do you create people? Is God stop creating people up to this date? Is God stop creating things up to this date? Is God literally rested after creation and stop creating people and things up to this date? When Jesus ascended to heaven, did He not creating people and things up to this date or only the God the Father is creating?
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This is the Father's creation, EVERYTHING depends on the Father, even the Son "for My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28, also John 10:29; 13:16)... it is from the power (Holy Spirit) of the Father that everything is done through the Son. The Father brought forth and put the Son as God over this creation, to do all His (the Father's) will through the Son. When Christ died it was the Father that continued to uphold this creation.
John 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
v. 2 He was in the beginning with God.
v. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
1Cor 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
John 5:19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.
This is the basics of what I believe and all else hinges on this understanding.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Greetings Kat,
The Father and the Son are always One, from the time He came forth (there was no Son before He was brought forth), until now and always will be.
This is the Father's creation, EVERYTHING depends on the Father, even the Son "for My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28, also John 10:29; 13:16)... it is from the power (Holy Spirit) of the Father that everything is done through the Son. The Father brought forth and put the Son as God over this creation, to do all His (the Father's) will through the Son. When Christ died it was the Father that continued to uphold this creation.
Can you please explain to me well of what you said that "from the time He came forth (there was no Son before He was brought forth), until now and always will be" then shifted to "everything is done through the Son"
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on June 18, 2015, 01:15:56 AM ---Dave in Tenn -
Is not Our Heavenly Father Life itself - and perfect in all He is and does without any faults.
Does not Our Heavenly Father want lots and lots of children - each one unique like precious stones and perfect like Him.
Does He not dwell in Light in absolute Love.
What is the answer then?
That He is perfect and He will reproduce Himself by having many perfect and unique children who are in His Image.
Curious George.
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Bingo! God wants a family.
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