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lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Geoff on June 17, 2015, 08:55:34 PM ---Hello Alex,
I have always been here. I don't post much because i don't like to debate or argue. i have been here since 2007, just reading all the posts and seeing what everybody is talking about. I have read and reread everything that Ray has written and have come to a point where i understand most of it. Not all.
But in my last post, I realise that Ray didn't mean a "Man" as in "flesh and blood". As jesus is so are we in this world, does that make me something other than a man or does it mean i am still "flesh and blood" but with the down payment of his "Spirit". I believe the latter. When Jesus was on this earth he was definitely "flesh and blood", but there was a difference, he had the fullness of God dwelling within him.
I didn't think that Ray meant that "Jesus will always be a man" as in "flesh and blood". I know what he meant and i believe i understand it. It's a bit hard for me to put it on paper. So I won't. But I will say that Jesus is the first of many. He is Pre Eminent. Therefore when he comes we will all change and be like him. So does that mean i will no longer be a "Man". In a sense i will still be a "Man" but no longer "flesh and blood".
Anyway that is all i have to say. Thanks everyone. Regards Geoff.
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Then we are in agreement Geoff. Thanks for clarifying :)
God bless,
Alex
lauriellen:
JFk, I was just wondering if you would care to share a few of the scriptures that you feel were the most important keys to leading you to the understanding of the nature of God. I am not asking you to expound on them if you don't want to, as I know teaching is not allowed......just throw us a bone to chew on ;) thanks.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: lauriellen on June 17, 2015, 09:18:19 PM ---JFk, I was just wondering if you would care to share a few of the scriptures that you feel were the most important keys to leading you to the understanding of the nature of God. I am not asking you to expound on them if you don't want to, as I know teaching is not allowed......just throw us a bone to chew on ;) thanks.
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Hi Lauriellen,
JFK might have seen something in ray's paper that was taken down by Dennis which was on the forums for a time. I do not believe I had a chance to read it and if I did I certainly don't recall it.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,13920.msg141794.html#msg141794
JFK:
This thread is proof of everlasting life. It won't die. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ray said in his April 2, 2011 message that his previous writings about the nature of God and Jesus were incomplete in that he (Ray) did not bring together all the Scriptures on this subject.
Everything quoted from Ray's writings and videos about this subject are before his April 2, 2011 message.
Therefore, it was Ray himself who acknowledged his previous teachings on this subject are not complete.
Ray's message of April 2, 2011 has been removed from the B-T website. I believe it was wrong to do so. But God will judge.
Ray is not Jesus. Ray's teachings are not Scripture. What I respected about Ray was his adherence to God's Word and respect for it. And his courage to rethink a subject to see if it truly conformed to the Scriptures. I talked with Ray a few times in person and several times over the telephone. Ray's respect for God's Scriptures is what stood out to me.
In one of our conversations I told Ray that I didn't think the majority of members of the B-T Forum would accept where he was headed with this Enigma/Nature of God subject. Ray told me we must all follow where the Spirit of God leads us.
Since, Ray brought this matter up, I've been studying all the Scriptures I could find on this subject. I asked God to teach me because I want to know all there is about Him. What He truly is.
God has showed me that He is One. There are not two, or three of them. Only One God, Who is unique and special and unlike anything we can imagine. Who can appear before Abraham under the terenbith trees of Mamre, and as an actual human being on the earth and be killed, and at the same time be beyond the heaven of heavens because nothing can contain Him.
But it is apparent that there are not two of us who believe the same thing on this issue. It is a source of confusion. I am going to try and stay out of this discussion in the future.
Jesus tells us not to throw our pearls before someone who cannot appreciate value. Only God can bring understanding on this matter. God said the time will come when all will know Me (God) from the least to the greatest.
What a Great and Magnificent God He truly is. What a blessing that He is creating mankind in His image.
DENNIS:
Everything quoted from Ray's writings and videos about this subject are before his April 2, 2011 message.
I've said this before and I guess I have to say it again.
Ray was doing a LOT of pain medication the last year of his life. There were more than one post he wanted on the forum that I asked Craig not to post. He was not making sense.
I questioned Ray more than once at breakfast about this and he had no answers for my questions.
Ray was not always thinking right the last year of his life. He was confused much of the time. He was wrong about this.
He never figured this out because it contracted what he taught many years ago.
JFK:
Hey Dave. No need to respect me. I'm just a man. If you think I'm lying, just say so. :D
However, I did not misrepresent Ray's April 2, 2011 message. It was in writing and on this website at least a couple of years, I believe. I found Ray coherent and writing in plain English and quoting Scriptures in support of his statements that his and our understanding of this nature of God matter was not complete. There are similar emails from Ray on this same matter in the emails section of the Forum.
I will also add that in my conversations with Ray, he was coherent and logical in his words and thoughts and freely quoted Scriptures in support of his statements to me. I will also add that I found him to be a gentleman in his answers to me, even when I completely disagreed with him on Dr. Steger's health rules. We parted as friends and on good terms after my last conversation with him. Our last words concerned the Scripture in Roman's 14 that the Kingdom of God doesn't consist of food or drink. (Of course, no need to believe me, with all respect.)
You can read more of JFK's responces as well as other discussion in that thread. JFK provides some of his scriptures on page 4 in a discussion with Kat.
God bless,
Alex
lilitalienboi16:
September 13th, 2011 Message by Ray ends with:
I continue to work on my paper delving into the enigma of God. The real secret to Who or What God is has
everything to do with what God wants, what He desires, what is His plan and purpose for creation. We know
that man is made "in the Image of God" (Gen. 1:27 and I Cor. 11:7), but why is God in the Image of man?
When we understand what God wants, we will I believe understand Who and What God IS.
Keep me in your prayers as you are in mine, and may God be with you all, always,
Ray
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I found an April 19th 2012 message from Ray posted by Craig but it didn't seem to have anything to add. Ray said this which was interesting but not much else:
I also have about a hundred pages of additional notes, which I probably won't
use all of. It is the last Installment that will be the most difficult. Both the concept
and the explanation are a handful for most people to wrap their minds around,
so as with all of my papers, I will strive to made it as simple, logical, and
Scriptural as I am able. The few papers that I have read on this subject by
scholars who have a relatively good understanding of this Enigma of God,
are so erudite that I doubt many could follow or discern their teaching. That
is decidedly not how I write.
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I'll keep looking...
God bless,
Alex
lauriellen:
Thank you Alex.
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