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God means Placer
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote ---uoQte from: Kat on Today at 12:15:04 PM
Hi Gina,
It seems that it is hard to understand exactly how there is 1 'God' and we have what seems to be the 2 individuals in the Godhead. One God, that's the conundrum.
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in you all,
The Father is by which all things come, even the Son. So I've wondered how is the Son the same God? I think it is because when the Son came forth He never separated from the Father, there is a constant and direct connection there. That is how I am thinking They are One... maybe thinking of the Son as a new or additional aspect that the Father brought forth of Himself?
1Cor 8:6 yet to us is one God, the Father, of whom are the all things, and we to Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are the all things, and we through Him;
It just seems to me that the Son was brought forth as a 'part' of the Father, that was put over everything concerning this creation. The Son was/is in charge of or God of this whole creation, but not a separate God.
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
v. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
v. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
One God, the Father and the only part of that God that we know is the Son from the OT, who then became Jesus Christ.
Also there being only 1 God, then the way that people become sons and daughters of God when we are "joined" with that same One God by His Spirit.
1Cor 6:17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"
Eph 4:16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
v. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Anyway something to think about.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Kind of thinking a long the same lines Kat.
Continuing that thought of "one spirit" and Christ never having seperated Himself from the Father but more of an extension of Him in the form of an "autobiography."
John 4:24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
The Father is in Christ and Christ is in the Father:
John 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
John 14:20 19 "A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you."
All is one?
Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
God bless,
Alex
Gina:
--- Quote from: Kat on June 06, 2015, 09:15:04 AM ---
Hi Gina,
It seems that it is hard to understand exactly how there is 1 'God' and we have what seems to be the 2 individuals in the Godhead. One God, that's the conundrum.
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in you all,
The Father is by which all things come, even the Son. So I've wondered how is the Son the same God? I think it is because when the Son came forth He never separated from the Father, there is a constant and direct connection there. That is how I am thinking They are One... maybe thinking of the Son as a new or additional aspect that the Father brought forth of Himself?
1Cor 8:6 yet to us is one God, the Father, of whom are the all things, and we to Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are the all things, and we through Him;
It just seems to me that the Son was brought forth as a 'part' of the Father, that was put over everything concerning this creation. The Son was/is in charge of or God of this whole creation, but not a separate God.
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
v. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
v. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
One God, the Father and the only part of that God that we know is the Son from the OT, who then became Jesus Christ.
Also there being only 1 God, then the way that people become sons and daughters of God when we are "joined" with that same One God by His Spirit.
1Cor 6:17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"
Eph 4:16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
v. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Anyway something to think about.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Thanks, Kat. Actually, I thought Ray's explanation was simple and clear and he explained it all perfectly:
The word "god" is a title and it means, "The Placer." One who places everything. Before all things. Our God that we worship is the ultimate "Placer." Our God is truly before all other gods and lords and everyone and every thing. He is King of kings and Lord of lords. He sets everything in order and puts it in motion.
Our God is ultimate perfection. There's no accusing Him of doing anything wrong. He's got it all figured out. He wants to have perfect sons and daughters. He is like a refining fire. And since we're rough around the edges, some of us, He refines us. I think of "royalty" as an example of people who are "refined." They're not really refined in the ultimate sense, but they're not unrefined either. They have manners and things that the world thinks of as "refined." That's kind of how God refines us. He's maturing us to become "refined," "perfected."
God is looking for a bride for Himself. As Ray said, He's not going to marry a whore.
Proverbs 31 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
Even rough rubies are valued above of all the other jewel stones - more valuable than diamonds. And God says, The price of a virtuous wife goes far beyond that of the most expensive jewels.
Like rough stones have to be polished and refined, we have to be polished (refined) so our worth goes far above rubies.
Proverbs 8:11 for wisdom is more precious than rubies, and nothing you desire can compare with her.
God wants his bride to be wise and virtuous.
The beginning of wisdom is, get wisdom.
Ray said in the excerpt I put in my original post:
"They [the Father and Son] are one God, because you can’t have two different perfections.
There is only one perfection.
When you reach ultimate perfection, that’s God.
There is only one such ultimate perfection.
If you are a part of that perfection, you are God.
That’s what God is, perfect.
Christ is perfect, the express absolute total assumption of His Father.
That makes Him God.
It isn’t something He acquired, on His own. But I do believe He did a lot. And His Father gave Him those powers, when He was able to handle them. We are to be given power, when we prove that we can handle it.
So, the Father is perfect and that is why He is the ultimate Placer. And both Jesus and the Father work together perfectly to place all things in order.
And they want company. Lots of it.
Be (become) perfect even as your Heavenly Father is also perfect.
Jesus Christ is God and Jesus Christ is perfect:
Hebrews:
8 Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered.
9 And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,
And the same way that the Father made Christ perfect, is how the Father makes us perfect (or God).
We actually have to DO things, like, obey the commands of God. That's hard. And we can't do that perfectly until we're perfected. Well, how do we become perfect (or God)? We learn and are made perfect through the judgments which God uses to refine us like fire.
I probably didn't say that very well, but that's how I see it.
What do you think of that? Can anyone refine what I'm trying to say? I just think it's something you can't see with your physical eyes and trying to type it all out or explain it verbally just doesn't do it justice. It's something you have to perceive of in your spirit as the spirit of truth testifies to you spirit. You begin to gain insight and understanding, but you can't explain it to anyone because it's something they have to go through in order to understand it.
Anyway, thanks for reading and taking part in this thread. I know I write a lot. You don't have to read or even respond to anything I say, if you don't want to. :)
rick:
--- Quote from: Gina on June 06, 2015, 10:32:18 AM ---
--- Quote from: Kat on June 06, 2015, 09:15:04 AM ---
Hi Gina,
It seems that it is hard to understand exactly how there is 1 'God' and we have what seems to be the 2 individuals in the Godhead. One God, that's the conundrum.
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in you all,
The Father is by which all things come, even the Son. So I've wondered how is the Son the same God? I think it is because when the Son came forth He never separated from the Father, there is a constant and direct connection there. That is how I am thinking They are One... maybe thinking of the Son as a new or additional aspect that the Father brought forth of Himself?
1Cor 8:6 yet to us is one God, the Father, of whom are the all things, and we to Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are the all things, and we through Him;
It just seems to me that the Son was brought forth as a 'part' of the Father, that was put over everything concerning this creation. The Son was/is in charge of or God of this whole creation, but not a separate God.
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
v. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
v. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
One God, the Father and the only part of that God that we know is the Son from the OT, who then became Jesus Christ.
Also there being only 1 God, then the way that people become sons and daughters of God when we are "joined" with that same One God by His Spirit.
1Cor 6:17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"
Eph 4:16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
v. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Anyway something to think about.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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The beginning of wisdom is, get wisdom.
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Proverbs 9 :10 says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. :)
The Hebrew verb yare can mean “to fear, to respect, to reverence” and the Hebrew noun yirah “usually refers to the fear of God and is viewed as a positive.
Gina:
--- Quote from: Rick on June 06, 2015, 04:34:43 PM ---
Proverbs 9 :10 says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. :)
The Hebrew verb yare can mean “to fear, to respect, to reverence” and the Hebrew noun yirah “usually refers to the fear of God and is viewed as a positive.
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Right. And when Jesus said in Luke 12 to be afraid of God, He doesn't mean bow down to Him like you would a bully, but that's how I perceived it back in the church.. because that's how those who try to take the place of God in our lives what us to feel We're so suggestible when we're ruled by fear. And I think that's what Jesus meant.
Besides, if we were to be afraid of Him in that way, how would we not wind up being cast into the Lake of Fire for sure! We'd always be feeling so cowardly and "timid" in His presence and all? ( I'm coming at it from a totally human perspective.)
And how do you relate to Him as your Abba Father?
Anyway, but we're here now. Thank God.
santgem:
--- Quote from: Gina on June 05, 2015, 04:35:53 PM ---When we come to the NT then we read about God. Jesus Christ said, they ask Him what is the greatest commandment, He said “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind” (Matt 22:37). The Greek says, you shall love the Kurios your Theos with all your heart and so on.
Kurios/Theos… who was He talking about? The Father. He’s quoting the OT, that comes out of Deuteronomy, where Jehovah Himself says, “You shall love the Lord your God” (Deu 6:5). Not Kurios/Theos, but Jehovah/Elohim.
Well who are we to worship with all our heart? Jehovah/Elohim or Kurios/Theos of the NT, who we know is the Father. But Jehovah/Elohim (where it’s quoted from the OT), is Jesus Christ. Who is it talking about? It’s always talking about BOTH. ALWAYS!
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.msg39176.html#msg39176
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Hi Gina,
Greetings!
I Believe that the Holy Scriptures are God's Authorized Biography, and
I Believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is God's Authorized Autobiography
Actually we have all the privileges to know the secret of God especially in this site. If God wants us to know Him He will reveal himself to us, but of course in every fellowships there are evils roaming around. Let Ears to hear and eyes to see.
In Ray’s creed we can easily interpret what does it mean. (Note that it is my interpretations and anybody may disagree and if there are corrections am gladly to learn and be corrected)
1. Jesus is the Spokesman of God the Father
2. Word is the Spokesman of God the Father (Spokesman i mean speaking on behalf of the
Father. Also, others Him not in flesh below).
3. Jehovah/YHWH/I AM/Savior/Word is the Spokesman of God the Father(Gen. 1:3,26)
4. The Word was God and became human (Jo. 1:14)
5. Jesus which is the Word/Jehovah/YHWH/I AM/Savior is sharing glory with God the Father
(Jo. 17:5)
6. "…..Yahweh(Jehovah/I AM), and there is none else, there is NO ELOHIM(God) beside Me"
(Isa. 45:5 & 6) (by Ray)
7. God cannot be created but creator.
8. Jesus who is the Word/Jehovah/YHWH/I AM/Savior and not Jesus in the flesh is co-
creator of God the Father for all. (After Jesus ascended to His Father we can conclude
that they are now continuously creating).
9. If Jesus say “I came OUT from God” be it known that Jesus is in the flesh not Jesus
who is the Word/YHWH/Jehovah. All of Jesus saying in NT regarding himself is Him in
the Flesh (any correction/s are gladly welcome)
10. God the Father and Jehovah [Jesus] Elohim, ARE ONE GOD. "I and My Father are ONE"
(John 10:30). "One" what? O-N-E G-O-D! (by RAY)
1Cor 8:6 yet to us is one God, the Father, of whom are the all things, and we to Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are the all things, and we through Him;
When you are trying to interpret 1Cor 8:6 the words “through whom are the all things” you must carefully understand that it is not actually Jesus in the flesh pertaining there, but Jesus who is the Jehovah/YHWH/I AM/Word is actually in the mind of the author. The author knows very well that it is Jesus who is the Jehovah/YHWH in whom are the all things. We have to always pay attention to all the words when that words are spoken. Words sometimes speaking today but referencing yesterday or words spoken before referencing today.
When that God became human He now subjected to His Father, Even after that human who is God raised from the dead by God the Father, He will have a God and a Father, because that Human who is God who is Jesus did not cease to be God and will be Man according to Scriptures.
Other will say no, he will not be a man because he already had a glorious body, but can anyone deny the Scriptures?
1Tim. 2:5For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.
Acts 17:31For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”
I am not here to lecture or to teach but only wants to share the knowledge and truth that I am learning through the manuscripts of Ray and discussing in the forum and the wisdom that Jesus has given me. If there are corrections, by any means am glad to be corrected, we don’t need to stop studying and learning the truth by the intimidation and name calling of the others. Knowledge is power and sometimes corrections are the ways we could learn.
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